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Old 05 June 2008, 16:35   #31
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I repeat Apathy is killing this country
Amongst other things.. Holding the country to ransom might kill it as well.. Or it might kill some small businesses who have had the common to change the way they operate so they can still make a profit.. But then, thats another form of apathy in itself.. The protesting motorcyclists didn't give a monkeys who they affected with their go slow this morning.. But I s'pose that sort of apathy is ok..
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Now I know for certain that you are 'off your rocker"
I can't believe how naive people are.

Bush and Blair love it when people think it is all down to China and India buying more!!!

The price of $45 a barrel I quoted was INCLUDING the demand from China and India!!! The price before the war started was $14 - yes $14 a barrel...........
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Old 05 June 2008, 17:19   #33
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So the Chinese and Indian economies have nothing to do with it? Get real.
Yes I am getting real.................

Remember unstable markets are the real culprit - it's the same with Gold - it was $200 an ounce before the war - now it's over $1,000!!!
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I agree.and i think you have hit the nail on the head,the country is broke and its not going to be long before they shaft us even more with yet another stealth tax,not to mention car tax (rfl)
I think they've hit their limit and they know it...stealth taxes are now a nono . the car tax thing has yet to hit a lot of people because they dont understand its implications.. we do, in part thanks to this forum, and because we are aware, but so help Gordon.. Joe public hasnt got this one yet, but when they do, after all the other hikes .. New Labour will be dead.. what comes after is anyones guess
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New Labour will be dead.. what comes after is anyones guess

I think there's a gap for a new party now. The rapid expansion of information availability has meant that there's far more people who ARE aware of what's going on. The way British political parties play around and the sheer arrogance of MPs in thinking they won't get caught leaves the public more and more disgusted with the system.
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I think there's a gap for a new party now. The rapid expansion of information availability has meant that there's far more people who ARE aware of what's going on. The way British political parties play around and the sheer arrogance of MPs in thinking they won't get caught leaves the public more and more disgusted with the system.
Which just leads to disaffection, low voter turn out and general apathy, and thats the worst of all outcomes because then some non entity wins more seats not because they are wanted, but because there is no credible alternative.

Public disgust must be at an all time high though, and without going off topic its the Euro MEP's that take the biscuit for doing nothing and getting paid a fortune. The whole Euro gravy train is a wash with money that they cant claim (fiddle) expenses for fast enough ! Its those guys we should really be disgusted at.

Anyway .. back on topic .. I have the answer to Gordon's woes

HMRC charge two different rates of VAT on diesel already .. 5% on red and 17.5% on white

So there is scope to vary the VAT charge levied, If they are making so much extra revenue from the extra tax as the price of a barrel has risen, surely the tax can be varied to take account of this, and not impede those who 'have' to rely on fuel
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Which just leads to disaffection, low voter turn out and general apathy, and thats the worst of all outcomes because then some non entity wins more seats not because they are wanted, but because there is no credible alternative.
Normally I'd agree with you but the Crewe by-election had an abnormally high turn out of 64%. I think people are desperately looking for an alternative.
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I think we should all be camped outside fuel depots until something is done
How about using our boats to blockade the quays where the oil is unloaded?
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How about using our boats to blockade the quays where the oil is unloaded?
what a bloody good idea,we have got pembroke dock and milford down this end,
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what a bloody good idea
There would be little disruption to the consumer, but it might just get the oil companies' attention?
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