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Old 05 June 2008, 07:31   #11
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Fewer goods to be transported? Are you serious??? With the massive increase in online shopping etc with the likes of amazon etc there are MORE goods being transported now than ever!

And who are these mysterious people to blame for the price of fuel? In the UK there is only ONE culprit - our stupid greedy government. remember without TAX our fuel would be about 45p per litre - I could live with that as could our haulage firms!!!

If the oil companies started giving away fuel for FREE it would still cost us over 75p per litre because of TAX.
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Fewer goods to be transported? Are you serious??? With the massive increase in online shopping etc with the likes of amazon etc there are MORE goods being transported now than ever!
Think about this.... does it matter if they are bought on-line or in a shop? They still need to be transported, whether it is by carrier from a depot direct to your house or to a shop if you still buy the "old fashioned way". So yes, I’m serious…. Although I was, in fact, referring to manufactured goods in this Country.

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And who are these mysterious people to blame for the price of fuel?
They ain’t mysterious at all, in fact if you look at my first post on this thread, I thought I’d listed a few.

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In the UK there is only ONE culprit - our stupid greedy government. remember without TAX our fuel would be about 45p per litre - I could live with that as could our haulage firms!!!

If the oil companies started giving away fuel for FREE it would still cost us over 75p per litre because of TAX.
So your argument would appear to be solely with the tax on the fuel, not the net cost at “45p per litre” ? It’s taxation, pure and simple, if they don’t raise the money on fuel, they’ll get it somewhere to be sure. I’ll reiterate by quoting my second post..

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we’re being financially penalised by the Government of the day to fund their own agendas and ambitions. …………
Even you wouldn’t object to the cost of fuel, if..and it’s a non-existent, mythical “if”…. The Govt of the day was spending OUR money on things that would truly benefit those who pay into the system or those who genuinely should be helped in a civilised society……….would you?

Oh yeah? ..and for what it's worth, I'm pretty sure that any "new" Govt of this Country will continue the same way..regardless of what it says on the tin....
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We could always re evaluate the way supply chains operate, especially with the retailers. My local Coop sells a large percentage of fresh produce grown, raised or caught within 20 miles. Whereas my (not quite so local) Tesco imports huge percentages of produce from all round the world! They also buy some stuff from local farms. Trouble is, they then ship it to a disti hub 100 miles away before shipping it BACK to the store. I understand the economics of supply chains, but only if the transport cost is not the prime lever. Now it is becoming so, lets encouage local stuff to be sold and bought locally. Not just food.
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We could always re evaluate the way supply chains operate, especially with the retailers. My local Coop sells a large percentage of fresh produce grown, raised or caught within 20 miles. Whereas my (not quite so local) Tesco imports huge percentages of produce from all round the world! They also buy some stuff from local farms. Trouble is, they then ship it to a disti hub 100 miles away before shipping it BACK to the store. I understand the economics of supply chains, but only if the transport cost is not the prime lever. Now it is becoming so, lets encouage local stuff to be sold and bought locally. Not just food.
Try doing just that. You'll see fuel costs rising dramatically. It's not financially viable to move small amounts.

Let me put it this way.
My truck does around 9.5mpg with 28 tonnes of goods onboard.
A transit does around 22mpg with 1.5 tonnes onboard.
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Try doing just that. You'll see fuel costs rising dramatically. It's not financially viable to move small amounts.

Let me put it this way.
My truck does around 9.5mpg with 28 tonnes of goods onboard.
A transit does around 22mpg with 1.5 tonnes onboard.

..Lead Foot!! Nah..just kidding..your figures make sense.... right up to the point of driving feckin' big trucks through our antiquated (and we ARE a small heavily populated country) road system..so they don't take into account the impact on our lives generally.... but why would "fuel costs" rise? Don't you mean transport costs?
It still all boils down to us wanting more for less and not being willing to pay the price for "locally produced" goods, be it food or otherwise. I would love to see a rise in consumption of local produce, but economic pressure says that won't happen....
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..Lead Foot!! Nah..just kidding..your figures make sense.... right up to the point of driving feckin' big trucks through our antiquated (and we ARE a small heavily populated country) road system..so they don't take into account the impact on our lives generally.... but why would "fuel costs" rise? Don't you mean transport costs?
It still all boils down to us wanting more for less and not being willing to pay the price for "locally produced" goods, be it food or otherwise. I would love to see a rise in consumption of local produce, but economic pressure says that won't happen....
Ok then, transport costs-but we'd still be looking at around a 40-fold (guesstimate) increase in transport costs. The country won't ever be in a state where it can survive that. Least of all now.
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Ok then, transport costs-but we'd still be looking at around a 40-fold (guesstimate) increase in transport costs. The country won't ever be in a state where it can survive that. Least of all now.
..but all that extra money would be going into the UK economy..not being "exported"... To the producers and therefore to local workers.. and to the Govt in taxes..including on fuel...
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..but all that extra money would be going into the UK economy..not being "exported"... To the producers and therefore to local workers.. and to the Govt in taxes..including on fuel...

No it won't. It'll be minimum wage going to migrants who'll be sending it home. It's not possible to live in this country on a van drivers wages unless you're living 3 up in a B&B.
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No it won't. It'll be minimum wage going to migrants who'll be sending it home. It's not possible to live in this country on a van drivers wages unless you're living 3 up in a B&B.
I agree... but it's all down to Government, Greed and Economic basics..and there's only one group of people to blame for that.....us.
It's a bitch ain't it?
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I agree... but it's all down to Government, Greed and Economic basics..and there's only one group of people to blame for that.....us.
It's a bitch ain't it?
Yep...

We can't do anything about the 2nd and 3rd though but we can sure as hell put pressure on the 1st...
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