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Old 21 October 2012, 15:00   #41
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I just put that up because speed limits on dual carriageways can be confusing....

True cos you should be doing 60 but like you Muz7 I did not think that cameras would be able to distinguish vehicles towing trailers,
Yes ... thats the point.. normally you could be doing 77 in a car only and be fine

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also I did not think that cameras on the opposite side of the road could nick you too.
Only roadside mobile units in vans, and truvelos .... fixed Gatsos cannot AFAIK
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"National Speed Limit on a single track road is 60mph.
National Speed Limit on a dual carriageway with no central divider or reservation is 60mph.
National Speed Limit on a dual carriageway with a central reservation or divider is 70mph.

Not sure if it includes Wales
If it doesnt have a central divider/central reservation/barrier, it's not a dual carriageway as there is only 1 carriageway.

Single Carriageway - 60mph
Dual Carriageway - 70mph
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Got a notice of intended blah blah .... was photographed face on at 71 on a 60 section on the A9 whilst overtaking someone on a single section....camera was on the other side of the road ... so my own stupid fault really, but I misjudged how fast the guy was going and needed more speed than I wanted to get by safely before meeting on coming traffic ...and I was towing a small plant trailer .. fortunately my licence is clean.

Firstly, I didnt think face on shots were allowed ? thats why I wasnt so bothered at the time, and its a camera ive been through many times too anyway it doesent seem the case now ... whats the likely points do you guys think ?
So your happy doing 71 with a trailer and making misjudgements whilst driving.
My question is do you belive you should be nicked
If yes then take the points if not put a thread together explaining what is a safe speed to drive with a trailer and overtake on A roads.
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[QUOTE=TonyC;495166]If it doesnt have a central divider/central reservation/barrier, it's not a dual carriageway as there is only 1 carriageway.

Single Carriageway - 60mph
Dual Carriageway - 70mph[/QUOTE

So if there is four lanes two one way and two the opposite way with just a grass verge as a divider it's not a dual carriageway then. If thats the case I stand corrected then
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If it doesnt have a central divider/central reservation/barrier, it's not a dual carriageway as there is only 1 carriageway.

Single Carriageway - 60mph
Dual Carriageway - 70mph
So if there is four lanes two one way and two the opposite way with just a grass verge as a divider it's not a dual carriageway then. If thats the case I stand corrected then
If there are four lanes (2 each way) with a grass verge as a divider, then it's a dual carriageway as there are two distinct 'roads/carriageways' (which is what i said above)

If there wasn't a grass verge in the middle, and just a white line, then it would be a single carriageway.

That's all the RTA recognises, single or dual carriageway. The divider can be anything from a 'verge', to a 6ft concrete & steel barrier.
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If there are four lanes (2 each way) with a grass verge as a divider, then it's a dual carriageway as there are two distinct 'roads/carriageways' (which is what i said above)

If there wasn't a grass verge in the middle, and just a white line, then it would be a single carriageway.

That's all the RTA recognises, single or dual carriageway. The divider can be anything from a 'verge', to a 6ft concrete & steel barrier.
Then without a barrier it's 60mph or 70mph with a barrier unless otherwise stated.
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Then without a barrier it's 60mph or 70mph with a barrier unless otherwise stated.
yep,

Single Carriageway (no verge/barrier between directions) - 60mph
Dual Carriageway (A verge or barrier between directions) - 70mph

unless a lower speed limit is posted.

If you've got a trailer behind, take 10mph off those limits.
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yep,

Single Carriageway (no verge/barrier between directions) - 60mph
Dual Carriageway (A verge or barrier between directions) - 70mph

unless a lower speed limit is posted.

If you've got a trailer behind, take 10mph off those limits.
I always thought dual meant two so if duel both sides of the road with no central paving or barrier is not a dual carriageway I will eat my hat.
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I always thought dual meant two so if duel both sides of the road with no central paving or barrier is not a dual carriageway I will eat my hat.
Tony's right, If it hasn't got a central divider then it's a single carriageway, regardless of how many lanes it's got. At least that's what they told me on the speed awareness course Of course, things might be different in Hermany Do you want to borrow a knife & fork
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Tony's right, If it hasn't got a central divider then it's a single carriageway, regardless of how many lanes it's got. At least that's what they told me on the speed awareness course Of course, things might be different in Hermany Do you want to borrow a knife & fork
So... if there is no crash barrier or verge, kerb dividing the four lanes the speed limit is 60 not 70 mph. as its not classed as a dual carriageway.
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