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Old 20 October 2012, 17:33   #21
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Then if you got flashed from a camera in front of you, it shouldn't be enforceable, as gatso's in general are only type-approved for rear facing use due to the flash.

I'd post at http://forums.pepipoo.com/
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Old 21 October 2012, 10:21   #22
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Then if you got flashed from a camera in front of you, it shouldn't be enforceable, as gatso's in general are only type-approved for rear facing use due to the flash.

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This was the odd thing, it never flashed ? ... your info is spot on from what Ive researched ... it seems only the truvelo, and mobile/roadside units can take forward facing images. .....

.....So reading the NIP (Notice of intended procedings) again, I double checked the camera location, as the A9 has a lot in this area, and it turns out, Ive identified the wrong camera that I thought 'did' me ... the offending one is actually on a section of dual carriageway, using google earth Ive confirmed this. This is why the NIP says the offence was 'Exceed 60 mph speed limit - Vehicle with trailer' heres the worrying bit ... I was doing seventy on a dual carriageway because I didnt think any gatso camera would be able to differentiate between a car, and a car with trailer, however clearly the NIP does, as the correct limit for a dual carriageway is 60 mph, so to stay within the 10% rule I should have being doing 66 max to avoid triggering the gatso

So far .. some research I have read states that some gatsos are fitted with inductive loops and are able to distinguish between HGV's and cars, but not buses and HVG's and apply the appropriate limit before triggering (which is new to me) but how could they do that for cars and trailers, with similar sizes but varying axle numbers ?

A car on the same carriageway would have to have been doing over 80 to trigger the camera... so in a nutshell .. thinking I was safe (doing 71) has not proven to be the case ( I never saw a flash from this unit either)

So if the NIP says 71 which was above the limit of 60 for sure,how did the gatso pick me up, when just a car wouldnt have fired it where the limit is 70 ?

Thanks for all your help so far guys
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Old 21 October 2012, 10:41   #23
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Are you sure it was a GATSO and not a van?
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Old 21 October 2012, 10:48   #24
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if you have a heavy foot or drive a lot then i would fight it as totting is now a ban in Scotland unless you can prove hardship to others ie you losing your job does not count but if others suffer from you not be able to drive you have a chance.

as for where it happened. Well it has been known for someone in heavy traffic to average 98.6mph in a modified old style honda civic and only get 6 points and not a ban.

so I would guess at 4-5 points and that leaves you with 1 or 2 mistakes in the next 3 years.

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I think it is very unlikely this was a static camera box capturing you face on. I would guess a van with a hidden operator inside the van had you on a camera. If this is the case these are the ones more likely to make mistakes on calibration, they can be cops or civilians operating them and some force only allow each operator a level to operate to so you could find them at fault as I did on a similar van
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If they offer you points and a fine by post then i would recomend taking it, if you go to court then the person in court before you will be a unemployed yob with no insurance and no licence court doing 70 in a 30' they will get 3 points and a 50 quid fine to be paid off over 5 years, you will get a 500 quid fine and at least 6 points.
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Take the 3 points & 60 , gone in 5 years & doesn't affect your insurance !!! The A9's a shocker for speed cameras both static & mobile !!
We didn't have a single speed camera in North Yorkshire other than a few coppers with guns on the A1, now they're getting going with a few mobile units to get a bit extra raked in !!
I've found the ones around Brixham the worst for siting a few years ago on 40 into 30 zones !!!! Easily missed if you're not local !!!!!
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If they offer you points and a fine by post then i would recomend taking it, if you go to court then the person in court before you will be a unemployed yob with no insurance and no licence court doing 70 in a 30' they will get 3 points and a 50 quid fine to be paid off over 5 years, you will get a 500 quid fine and at least 6 points.
sorry that is simply not possible. for a start the first person would have an instant ban and what i took from what you were trying to imply is wrong as there is a min and max penalty for every offence and on speeding that includes the percentage you are over the speed limit. This is there stop unfair penalties happening to people just because their face does not fit.
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Guys .. check my post 22 ... sorry if I wasnt clearer .. it was a static gatso that got me as I passed it. The NIP gives an offence location, which I thought was the camera where I thought I had done something wrong, but it wasnt, it was one further up the road on a dual carriageway section where I thought I was in the clear as I was doing 70 on a dual carriageway
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Here's someone else with the same problem in the same force area .... very nasty

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