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Old 07 July 2014, 06:01   #1
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Serious Safety Failure

Am I alone in condemning the ORC? (Offshore Racing Congress). These photos show the start of the Coastal race in Valencia yesterday in winds over 25 kts. A dyneema lifeline failure caused two crew to fall overboard at the start of the race. (fortunately rescued) Although dyneema is very strong it is not allowed to be used a lifelines by some race organisations because it is prone to stretch, chaffing and UV degradation.

Worse than this there is not one lifejacket in sight - few organisations these days allow formal racing in such conditions without a lifejacket rule imposed (IE when reefed / wind over certain strengths etc). This is a European Championships for heavens sake!

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Basic stuff guys!
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Old 07 July 2014, 07:36   #2
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Am I alone in condemning the ORC?
Those are WAFIs! We condemn them all the time on here If you're looking for SPECIFIC condemnation then a WAFI forum might get a more focused result.

On a more general tack (see what I did there?) I'm past condemning boaters for not wearing life jackets. The planet is not short of people...
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Un fecking believable. I'm rapidly heading towards Wilk's Point of view regarding life jackets...
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Un fecking believable. I'm rapidly heading towards Wilk's Point of view regarding life jackets...
The big difference here is that we are not looking at individual choice. This occurred at an organised European Championships. There are meant to be safeguards in place. Some years ago there was an event called the Nioularge (now called Les Voiles de St Tropez) The event was shelved for some time after a French competitor drowned - the race committee were found culpable by a French court - the individuals on the organising committee were charged and jailed, causing every yacht club / race organisation in the world to adopt strong safety measures with limited liability infrastructures introduced.

Its seems that in history man learns nothing from history!
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Rescue was quite competent - but many of the basic guidelines of safe recovery were ignored - including legs near propeller.
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........The planet is not short of people...
This has been my mantra for years & people just said I was a callous b'stard
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This has been my mantra for years & people just said I was a callous b'stard
Ah yes, but being right and being a callous Barsteward are not mutually incompatible. I would know
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Ah yes, but being right and being a callous Barsteward are not mutually incompatible. I would know
Being at the top of the food chain & having no natural predators, we have to rely on nature & our own stupidity to keep our numbers down. Once we defeat age, famine & disease, all we have left is stupidity. Thankfully we don't seem to be in short supply of that
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On a more general tack (see what I did there?)
willk you are on fire!
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Once we defeat age, famine & disease, all we have left is stupidity. Thankfully we don't seem to be in short supply of that
That's a forum signature right there!
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