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Old 02 April 2008, 09:14   #1
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Sailing "tiff"

Seems my friends at USA-11 got reported to the coastguard for "harassing" the "America" boat last week.
I was astern of USA-11 when the radio call came from "America" to USA-11saying "collision course,please take action"
So not being a sailor I wondered what the heck was going on,as I saw no danger in the situation.
Seems "America" wants the Bay to itself and has a slight attitude problem
Dont think they realised that I was there, as the call was recorded by the USCG and my shot was at the same time. (complete with date and time stamp to the exact second.)
So in my opinion we have good evidence there was no "aggression" but just wondered what the sailors out there thought?
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Old 02 April 2008, 09:45   #2
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IRPCAS (and racing rules) say that overtaking (and windward) boat keeps clear! ~Looks like an overtaking situation from the photo.

If on the other hand, the boat to leeward needed to tack for water then the windward boat should tack immediatley or indicate to the other boat that she has room to clear her stern.
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Old 02 April 2008, 11:27   #3
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IRPCAS (and racing rules) say that overtaking (and windward) boat keeps clear! ~Looks like an overtaking situation from the photo.

If on the other hand, the boat to leeward needed to tack for water then the windward boat should tack immediatley or indicate to the other boat that she has room to clear her stern.
I'd agree with that too. I guess the schooner ? will take some time to tack and will need more space than the modern yacht. Perhaps the schooner is running out of water and wants to tack. If she does so, she'll tack onto starboard tack and have right of way anyhow, just as she does now being leeward boat (and probably being overtaken). The modern boat will turn on a sixpence and from the picture they don't seem particularly close together.

If the schooner skipper was concerned about tacking into the path of the yacht, he could've called the yacht on VHF, or sounded two short blasts on his horn (I am altering course to port) to wake them up to the situation.

Seems to be another instance of American over reaction to a simple, and frequent, situation. Why ask nicely when you can call in the fleet?
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Old 02 April 2008, 12:01   #4
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I was astern of USA-11 when the radio call came from "America" to USA-11saying "collision course,please take action"
Seems to me that if the collision was imminent due to an impending course change, then the radio call as issued was somewhat misleading.

I see no collision occuring as the picture stands; if America was about to change course, a radio warning as to their intent would have been a little more polite.


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Old 02 April 2008, 12:50   #5
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Your right about the schooner becoming starboard tack boat, but looking at the obvious speed advantage of the windward boat (wake shot) of about 3 knots, maybe she did have room to keep clear to winward. The sloop also looks to be not quite close hauled and is fetching off towards the track of the schooner. The shooner should give the windward boat time an opportunity to respond to her luff or tack, but looking at the picture you would hope that both boats should have seen the situation developing well before hand and be ready to respond immediately! clearly not looking at everyone chilling out on the rail of the sloop!

At the end of the day, IRPCAS rule 2 should have kept them from a collision, but I would bet money they don't know what it is!
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It would appear that the schooner skipper was concerned about being trapped on a lee shore. The overtaking boat has the reponsibility to stay well clear and anticipate the action of the leeward vessel by anouncing his intentions via radio or by making an obvious change in course. Politeness of radio communications is irrelevant. His call was short and concise and he had the right to make it if he thought his vessel was in danger and he did say "please"

Looking at the photo, there is a guy standing by a primary winch looking at the helm; maybe they were about to tack.
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They seem quite far apart at this time to me. Hard to tell the speed difference. I would have merely said, "this is America starting a port tack, USA-11 ("please" depending on my mood ) keep clear"
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"this is America starting a port tack, USA-11 ("please" depending on my mood ) keep clear"
Now that would be very confusing. I think you meant " turning to port" or " starting a starboard tack."
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Haha yes, my bad, multitasking at "work"
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Old 02 April 2008, 22:32   #10
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Haha yes, my bad, multitasking at "work"
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Same reason we all have one... so we can get out of the way if need be...
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