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Old 22 January 2013, 02:33   #11
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I applaud you Paul and what you're doing is leaving a legacy for our young ones. As posted elsewhere. There is some objection to being ask to do volunteer work for the RYA when they charge so much for there time. Some of what they do is so obviously done to generate money and to a gathering number of us we think it wrong. I believe in doing charity stuff and I do my fair share but I don't see what the RYA are doing in some cases as charitable

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Old 22 January 2013, 02:42   #12
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Doug I understand that, just surprised that a person would become an instructor

to do voluntary work, unpaid work, look good on CV, just very strange wording. Not sure RYA understand why we are instructors and you do it full time as a business with I assume very good support from them.

As a commercial charter operator I hear numerous people in a similar position who wont join RYA membership as they believe it gives them as skippers very little- just observations as a non school
I agree with you Ian. I opened it, started to do it then left. I will not return to complete it. Badly constructed and frankly I' m not sure what they are looking for. Before doing what I do now I spent many years in marketing and research was part of that function.

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Old 22 January 2013, 03:43   #13
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I wouldn't read to much into the survey it was probably put together by some work experience person or someone who didn't have much knowledge, most surveys on any subject these days are full of dumb/stupid questions, perhaps it was just a modified version of a survey someone found on the internet. From the responses so far it shows it hasn't worked very well. LOL
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Old 22 January 2013, 05:36   #14
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[QUOTE=Doug Stormforce;512066] (Yes there is a huge skill to market research, that much of the population are blissfully unaware of)QUOTE]

Call me cynical but I always thought that the point of surveys was to ensure the view that the person, or organisation, who commisioned the survey was supported

Was it Winston Churchill that said
"There are lies, Damn lies, and Statistics!"

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Old 22 January 2013, 06:03   #15
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Originally Posted by tonto View Post

Was it Winston Churchill that said
"There are lies, Damn lies, and Statistics!"

Apparently not - origin seems to be unknown/unverifiable see Lies, Damned Lies and Statistics
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Biffer - agree with much of that. For both commercial schools/operators and charities, the RYA make it increasingly hard/expensive to work with them!

We have had various high level meetings with them over the last few years, with little success for the most part. As one of the largest sea-based youth training organisations in the UK and a major provider of RYA courses for young people (many of whom are from less well off backgrounds and wouldn't otherwise get involved in boating) you'd hope the RYA might want to engage with us, if only for the fact that we get huge numbers of young people involved in the RYA schemes (and paying full RYA rates!).

Sadly we made very little progress, which makes running a fully RYA accredited training centre as a self-supporting charity an increasingly hard proposition - something I think many of the commercial schools also find!

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