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Old 11 May 2007, 16:11   #11
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This is sheer lunacy - I've worked with these guys a few times and trust me, this move WILL cost lives. No ifs, no buts...people will die.

I particularly remember an incident a few years back, in the Solent, when a woman (Heidi something) was trapped in an air pocket under her catamaran for a number of hours. Dave Kennett, the Yarmouth LB cox, had to tow the craft with her in it into calm water whilst awaiting navy divers (then from Portland before it closed).

If anyone here knows Dave, let him know of the plan....he won't be a happy man
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Old 11 May 2007, 20:22   #12
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Why should I sign? Obviously speed humps and speed cameras are far more important....

Oh well on 2nd thoughts maybe not.......

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Old 11 May 2007, 20:29   #13
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Unfortunately I suspect it is the thin end of the wedge:

http://news.independent.co.uk/busine...cle2279373.ece

If there are to be 12 Coastguard helicopter stations, where does this leave the RN and RAF SAR helicopters?

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Well personally I will throw a party and set off fireworks on the 27th June - and then REALLY celebrate when the rest of them have gone!!!

We should name 27th June - or 27 six as they call momentus events these days - a public holiday - Tony Blair day - has a certain ring to it......
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Unfortunately I suspect it is the thin end of the wedge:

http://news.independent.co.uk/busine...cle2279373.ece

If there are to be 12 Coastguard helicopter stations, where does this leave the RN and RAF SAR helicopters?

Chris
I am wondering if that means you would rather be rescued by RN/RAF than the CG? If not then does it matter - whos budget it comes from (and is it not better to have a dedicated rescue service?). As I understand it the CG heli's are already operated under private contracts anyway...
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Old 12 May 2007, 05:44   #15
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I am wondering if that means you would rather be rescued by RN/RAF than the CG? If not then does it matter - whos budget it comes from (and is it not better to have a dedicated rescue service?). As I understand it the CG heli's are already operated under private contracts anyway...
I'm happy to be rescued by anyone, should the need arise :-). The way I see it, the RN and RAF need to have a SAR capability (and in broader terms a helo fleet) to meet their primary function of defence ops. In order to maintain this capability they will need a certain number of hours flying time on ops / training, as well as maintenance infrastructure etc. Surely it is a good use of resources if this time and cost can be used to rescue civilians?

If it is accepted that the RN and RAF need to maintain this capability for their primary function, then the CG helo fleet becomes an additional cost rather than a redirected cost, in which case why spend the money? If it has been decided that the RN and RAF don't need to have a SAR capability or the existing size of helo fleet then that is a whole different can of worms.

I'm certainly not knocking the CG helo teams, who as you have said already operate out of 4 stations around the UK.

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It USED to be the case that military pilots were the most experienced - if only because of the constant training and no budget limitations.

I have seen the RAF crews doing all manner of strange jobs - from taking fencing materials to remote parts of the Brecon Beacons to carrying bales of hay to feed sheep. Whilst it may seem a waste of resources it is certainly good training and it keeps the farmers happy so they don't complain about low flying.

There have been many rescues carried out by the RAF that are way outside any safe parameters - I really do wonder if a privately run company would risk their crew in a similar manner with all the curret health and safety bollocks.

If a private contractor is working to a budget they are going to limit their flying hours.

I am worried it will get to the situation you have in the USA where there is such a wide mix of rescue helicopters - some of them don't even have winches!!!
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the coming situation with the military and civilain sar has been known about and planned for for several years and the expansion of the cg helos has been negotiated over this period. Bristows didnt get the renewal on the contract but another company with perhaps a better investment in airframes did. As the cg helo down in portland area seems to be permanently airborne when we are down there I doubt flying hours are an issue. It would be nice to see one airborne up here when the changeover happens. And the way things are in the world at the moment there are perhaps pressures on military aircraft to be out supporting the military in far flung places.
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I can't help but feel that if so many resources were not used to support our so called tourist industry , ie protecting and saving idiots on our beaches , there may be a bit left more for the seriouse cases .
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I can't help but feel that if so many resources were not used to support our so called tourist industry , ie protecting and saving idiots on our beaches , there may be a bit left more for the seriouse cases .
Agreed. It's time the idiots were educated. The only problem then is that idiots don't learn...
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Make em pay . If they need a rescue because they get cut off by the tide or do something stupid .

As for the helicopter Iam not kocking the local air ambulance they do a fine job , but last year one of my nieghbours broke his leg in the snow on the moors at the top of our village . I was doing my best to keep him warm etc but it took nearly an hour to get the helicopter there becuse they couldn't fly in the poor weather , ie heavy snow . he ended up with hypothermia , but a worse injury could have resulted in death.
If the private services are unable to fly for similar reasons then the rescue capability will be compromised . Nothing seems to stop the forces from flying , Iam not criticising thier ability but regulations and rules are often too strict .
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