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Old 16 October 2005, 09:31   #11
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Gypsies are renowned for their wealth, hence splashing out on Jap quality 4x4s

They also need reliable tow vehicles, hence Landies dont get a look in


So now as well as all other non British 4x4 Hummers,The backbone of the American Military, are rubbish too?

or is it you just cant afford one?
H1 the workhorse of Hummer

or H2 the civilian petrol version bassed on the H1

V8 for lots of torque and pulling power, up to 6 tonnes towing capaicty

Bf Goodridges as standard, real 4x4 from the home of Jeeps
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YUP - bloke I knew was stupid enough to buy a H2 -
The true source of Codprawn's expertise....for every question, there seems to be a 'bloke I know' who has bought a [insert car, boat, other object here] or maybe once seen one, or alternatively once read about it in [Top Gear, Car, RIB Int, What Hi Fi, insert other magazine here]. To have so many acquaintances with so much experience must be a truly humbling experience!

I had a ride in an H2 not so long ago in the US and thought it was very crap. Massive on the outside, tiny on the inside and frankly didn't ride particular well. H3 I think is based on the Colorado pickup. (which isnt a bad looking vehicle in itself). H1 pointless unless you are a) the USMC or b) Bogib in Iceland driving over glaciers on your way to work!
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Old 16 October 2005, 09:45   #13
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Gypsies are renowned for their wealth, hence splashing out on Jap quality 4x4s

They also need reliable tow vehicles, hence Landies dont get a look in


So now as well as all other non British 4x4 Hummers,The backbone of the American Military, are rubbish too?

or is it you just cant afford one?
H1 the workhorse of Hummer

or H2 the civilian petrol version bassed on the H1

V8 for lots of torque and pulling power, up to 6 tonnes towing capaicty

Bf Goodridges as standard, real 4x4 from the home of Jeeps


I was referring to the versions available in the U.K in lefthand drive, particularly the H2 and H3. Not the military version, which is a fantastic bit of kit.
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Old 16 October 2005, 09:52   #14
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The backbone of the American Military, are rubbish too?
Mebbe they are the backbone of the US Army because the US Army has to buy them, not because they are any good..

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Thats an easy one to answer, its a policital reason, seen to be supporting local industry and engineering, keeping jobs at home on the Mainland etc etc, if Nissan Patrols were built at the Rover Plant, they would be using them too, If you are a UK organisation, it makes sense for you to buy locally, support your own economy, keep your own people in work you wouldnt have it any other way.
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Mebbe they are the backbone of the US Army because the US Army has to buy them, not because they are any good..



if the going was tough and being shot at i would rather be in a hummer than a landy any day

specially if the place is mined!!!
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The H1 is the backbone of the US army - NOT the H2 - if anyone bothered to read my post properly I did say "maybe the H1 NOT the H2"!!!

The H2 has very little in common with the H1.

The H1 isn't a bad vehicle but what is it trying to be? The Yanks are trying to turn it into an armoured vehicle which it will NEVER be. Either you have hard skinned vehicles (tanks) or soft skinned - ie Land Rovers etc.

If you look at SAS Land Rovers they don't even have doors - never mind layers of armour everywhere. You can see what is going on much better and can deploy far more rapidly. In situation where hard skinned vehicles ARE needed we send in tanks!!!

Yank special forces use Land Rovers like the SAS do - they can be carried INSIDE chinooks unlike the Hummer which has to be slung underneath. Obviously when a vehicle is slung underneath the helicopter doesn't exactly fly very well.......
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Mebbe they are the backbone of the US Army because the US Army has to buy them, not because they are any good..



And you think the British Forces are any different with Land Rover?
(Nb Don't wish to start another land rover bashing thread, but seriously, what alternative vehicles could British Forces realistically purchase to meet their all terrain vehicle reqts?!)
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The true source of Codprawn's expertise....for every question, there seems to be a 'bloke I know' who has bought a [insert car, boat, other object here] or maybe once seen one, or alternatively once read about it in [Top Gear, Car, RIB Int, What Hi Fi, insert other magazine here]. To have so many acquaintances with so much experience must be a truly humbling experience!
Well obviously I wouldn't buy a piece of junk like that myself!!!

Why would I want to make up a story about a bloke buying a H2 who also had a Warrior and a Cadillac??? He happens to own a local Indian restuarant and apart from his very dodgy "taste" in cars is a very nice bloke!!!

I could even tell you that it was the same bloke who had his warrior written off by a Yank driving a Ferrari who died in the accident but then again - I couldn't possibly know anyone that had happened to either could I???

As to being truly humbled - yes of course I am - breaks my heart I too can't drive a Hummer!!!
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if the going was tough and being shot at i would rather be in a hummer than a landy any day

specially if the place is mined!!!
If you look at Yank deaths in Iraq maybe you would change your mind? They will never be a substitute for a tank!!!
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And you think the British Forces are any different with Land Rover?
(Nb Don't wish to start another land rover bashing thread, but seriously, what alternative vehicles could British Forces realistically purchase to meet their all terrain vehicle reqts?!)
The second quote of Gavin's was taken from a different thread, and at the time, I posted the following, in reply to your similar q..

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So why do the Police use BMW's, Subaru's, Volvo's, etc.. Instead of Rover 75's??

It may have been the case a few decades ago that Government financed peeps had to buy British, but not anymore.. Take the case of the Royal Navy Bomb Squad, if the landies they use kept breaking down, and the bombs kept going off because they couldn't get there, its pretty certain they woulda changed their vehicle many years ago.. And Charity's like the RNLI have boards to answer to with regard to value for money when they buy anything..
My sentiments haven't changed..
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