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Old 19 March 2009, 00:22   #11
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Have never tried it and have no intenion to, but that cera-nly does not impel me to try to prevent other people from eating seal meat. While I have not seen it in the supermarrket, their is obviously a market demand for seal meat, since it does all get sold.

That's the whole point. It is not a case of - we need food desperately so lets kill some seals. It is the complete opposite. Help we have killed 300,000 seals now how do we get rid of all this mess and justify what we have done.

A World of difference that some people are too blinkered to see.

At least the Eskimos use them for food - clothing - heating - lighting etc etc - nothing is wasted. I have no problem with that!!!
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Supposing the majority of the seal meat is used for dog and cat food, so what? Those cats and dogs will be fed regardless, and they will be fed one form of animal flesh or anoher, since that is what their diet requires. Therefore animals will be killed just to feed those cats and dogs regardless. So when you think about it, in a round about way, those Koreans will ulimately ingest the seal meat afterall.
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Given the objection of so many people in the UK to "Brussels" meddling in our lives I am surprised also that we feel we should meddle in the day-to-day law making of another nation.
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Seals aren't clubbed to death to enable the survival of their species. They are clubbed to death to ensure that the failling Canadian fishing industry is bouyed up for a few more years. Greed pure and simple.
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Seals aren't clubbed to death to enable the survival of their species. They are clubbed to death to ensure that the failling Canadian fishing industry is bouyed up for a few more years. Greed pure and simple.

Greed or ensuring that the collapsed cod stocks have a chance to survive and rebound? The fact that the cod have not been commercially fished for several years now refutes your claim that "the failling Canadian fishing industry is bouyed up for a few more years". It is not being bouyed up for a few more years because it has already been shut down for several years to due to the collapse of the cod stocks. Those cod stocks collapsed for 2 reasons;

1) There was an inadequate amount of Sealing being done in the '80s and '90s because a weak kneed Canadian Liberal government gave in to Greenpeace led international protests - primarily from Eurocontinentals.

2) That same weak kneed government did not properly protect the Grand Banks (Canadian waters) from pillaging nations such as Spain & Portugal who devasted the cod numbers with their poaching.
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It is over fishing that has caused the collapse of cod stocks NOT the seals!!!
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It is over fishing that has caused the collapse of cod stocks NOT the seals!!!
You are 1/2 correct. Both the Iberians and the seals overfished the cod stocks.
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How come no one kicks up a fuss about fishermen over here taking pot shots at seals when they go near nets?
I've seen perfectly good cod with a slash down the side from where a seal has been "playing" with it.
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Those cod stocks collapsed for 2 reasons;

1) There was an inadequate amount of Sealing being done in the '80s and '90s because a weak kneed Canadian Liberal government gave in to Greenpeace led international protests - primarily from Eurocontinentals.

2) That same weak kneed government did not properly protect the Grand Banks (Canadian waters) from pillaging nations such as Spain & Portugal who devasted the cod numbers with their poaching.
Really. So the seals are partly to blame. The fact that for millions of years the seals have happily fed on the north atlantic cod without the numbers collapsing is irrelevant then? The north atlantic cod numbers have nosed dived in the last 50 years thanks to intensive fishing NOT due to natural predation. Look at the Herring industry in Scotland as an example. What herring industry? Exactly my point. Nature has a way of naturally controlling species numbers. If the prey you feed on decline then your species numbers decline due to starvation or lack of breeding. It's when man comes along hoovers the sea then moans that the seals are taking all 'our' fish. Finally a ban is put on fishing certain species putting a strain on others. When the numbers finally start to slowly climb (and we are talking at the very least a few decades here not an overnight fix) fishermen demand the right to go back to the old ways. It's happening in Scotland at the moment. Sadly it's not only fishing where this happens.
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Human nature is funny isn't it?
We accept as normal people killing rabbits, rats, mice, pigeons and foxes as vermin but as soon as it looks cute and cuddly (even though lots of folk may never get closer than hundreds of miles to one) its the biggest sin in creation to pound the head of a cute cuddly animal in with a big stick! I also find it a spurious argument that shooting is better, who cares what kills you you are still dead!
Anybody that eats meat arguing about this is being spectacularly hypocritical and I'll bet never seen the inside of a slaughterhouse.
I don't know whether I agree or disagree with any seal cull and, unlike most others it seems, am not sure how much on either side is propaganda or spin to justify the argument.
When it is not an normal everyday occurence to read about the latest kid beaten to death, pensioner murdered or soldier killed in action then I may start worrying about a few seals............
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