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Old 27 April 2013, 12:04   #11
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Good point, however, hopefully before too long such protesting will serve to bring about change and offer alternatives. Until then we're a bit stuck with it.
So why not spend the money you (hopefully) spent on the fuel which goes into the pockets of the men who were performing the operations you were protesting over on discovering those changes and alternatives? What sort of alternatives do you suggest? Wind power doesn't quite offer the same thrills that high speed powerboats do, which clearly you enjoy since you are a member of a site dedicated to them..?
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Not that you are suggesting the organisation has no clear long term strategy and just jumps from one media storm to another or anything
Well it was decided to can the project for a couple of reasons, one being not to try and make headlines while the world was concerned about flooded nuclear power stations (a bit rude) and the other was to free up resources in order to get to Japan and begin work there. Personally I would have pushed on regardless, however sometimes it's best to leave strategy to the strategists.
Both Nuclear and oil campaigns have and always did have solid long term strategy.
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Ooooh - I think that's Andre's old Black Magic at 5:10 in the first video.

You lads carry on arguing with the Crusties - I'm rrrrrRIBbin'!
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So why not spend the money you (hopefully) spent on the fuel which goes into the pockets of the men who were performing the operations you were protesting over on discovering those changes and alternatives? What sort of alternatives do you suggest? Wind power doesn't quite offer the same thrills that high speed powerboats do, which clearly you enjoy since you are a member of a site dedicated to them..?
A considerable amount of the organizations budget goes into alternatives. Promoting rather than developing. Developing Alternatives is best left to specialists in those respective fields. It's an uphill struggle trying to create change in a world where all money is tied up in businesses whos interest is to maintain the status quo. Ie, oil, coal, gas etc.

As for the thrill of high speed boating Greenpeace uses ribs as tools for specific jobs rather than speeding around for the sake of pure enjoyment.
As far as I was aware, this site is about boats. Herein is a vast pool of boating and technical experience which I have found to be very useful.
Not to mention members who have been very helpful.
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loved the video, they knew hoses were going to be deployed yet had no concrete plan to combat them exept to ask to turn them off, Madness really putting people in danger, you are dealing with Gazprom not BP
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loved the video, they knew hoses were going to be deployed yet had no concrete plan to combat them exept to ask to turn them off, Madness really putting people in danger, you are dealing with Gazprom not BP
Those involved were well aware of the possible dangers. They chose to put their lives on the line for something they believe in.
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Those involved were well aware of the possible dangers. They chose to put their lives on the line for something they believe in. It's often the case when you're at war.
Indeed it is. And what exactly are you in war against? Or more importantly, for?
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Indeed it is. And what exactly are you in war against? Or more importantly, for?
Gotchi - did Al Baker say this?
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It's often the case when you're at war.
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Gotchi - did Al Baker say this?
Yup

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Indeed it is. And what exactly are you in war against? Or more importantly, for?
Well perhaps war is a bit to strong a word, Battle might describe it better or is it the same?
Speaking for myself, a freelancer and occasional volunteer, I would say that it's a war against environmental destruction through greed and ignorance.
However if you were to visit the Greenpeace website you may find a more official set of core values. My own personal reason for being involved is to highlight and expose examples of needless environmental destruction in order that people can chose to buy into that destruction or not.
In my experience greed and ignorance are at the heart of any environmental destruction and publicly exposing greed and destruction combined with education can help to make our world a better place.
I've witnessed the results and that's what keeps me going.
I'm not daft enough to think the world can be saved but I would rather fight for it on my feet than die on my knees.
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