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Old 02 July 2007, 14:57   #11
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If people wanna take part in these extreme sports then why not! people know the risks so thats their problem not anybody else's. countries like oz and NewZealand have a big extreme sports following, anyway many 1000's x more people are hurt in cars than extreme sports.
That's a fair enough question, and I somewhat agree, but with a few caveats. My take is that if an individual wants to participate in an extreme sport, and can guarantee any SAR costs and medical bills are covered (ie. have adequate insurance so that the public doesn't have to foot any bills), and has a reasonable understanding of the risks then fine. I don't think the car injury analogy applies very well here since vehicle & driver licencing and driving behaviour are extremely highly regulated in virtually any country.

Many extreme sports have organizations (eg. SCUBA diving, sky diving organization) that have developed and enforce minimum standards of training, equipment, because they realize if they don't, the government beaurocrats will swoop in and attempt to do it (and seriously botch it up!). The governments of most first world countries would accept and require that such standards are met (even if they didn't develop them) and won't intervene as long as the # incidents stays relatively low.

In the 3rd world, such standards are often not observed, then again, it is unlikely that such governments will spend a cent on trying to search for or recover you or, provide any medical care if you can't cover the costs. There are a number of Carribean countries, for example, where you can rent SCUBA gear with abslutely no training, and lots & lots of people (mostly tourists) die, because they assume that that the activity must be safe if they are allowed to do it (an undesireble side effect of living in the first world).


Which brings me to commercially operated group tours. Even if it is billed a "thrill ride" the general public/clients will tend to assume it's quite safe, no matter how many waivers they are asked to sign. The degree of government involvement/regulation in the industry is probably more reactive than proactive. In other words, if there is an inordinate amount of incidents, the general public (and particularly the tourism industry itself) within that in particular will likely pressure the government to regulate safety standards more stringently. The last thing most countries' tourism industries want is for their own country to have an international reputation as a dangerous place to visit.
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Old 02 July 2007, 15:22   #12
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OK, you're a suck. Seriously, I agree with you completely - I had those same thoughts when watching the video. A quick google search supports your position.

http://tvnz.co.nz/view/page/423466/55257


http://www.scene.co.nz/cms/opinion/2...art1000285.php

http://www.safeoutside.org/risk/Proc...cant accidents
Some of these comments date back to 2001 - they have carried umpteen thousands of people since.
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Old 02 July 2007, 15:25   #13
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In the 3rd world, such standards are often not observed, then again, it is unlikely that such governments will spend a cent on trying to search for or recover you or, provide any medical care if you can't cover the costs. There are a number of Carribean countries, for example, where you can rent SCUBA gear with abslutely no training, and lots & lots of people (mostly tourists) die, because they assume that that the activity must be safe if they are allowed to do it (an undesireble side effect of living in the first world).

That's the trouble with too much nannying that goes on in the West - especially the UK. Quite why people can't work out the risks for themselves is beyond me.

Bungee jumping is a classic example. Quite why anyone would do it head first is beyond me!!!
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Some of this is very relevant. Initially I wholeheartedly agreed that Extreme sporters should have insurance for medical costs. But then I wondered what other people think of us Ribsters and how it would affect me. Are we seen as extreme sporters by other people. I have insurance for my boat/car and trailer and some of this will pay out in case of serious injuries in the case of liability but I won't pay anything to use the Hospital or for the Coastguard if required. But maybe thats where our taxes kick in.

Having visited the NHS outpatients at the weekends with my kids and waited 3 hours or more for initial treatment behind a pile of people with sports related injuries. Maybe more insurances should be enforced. After all most of us now have more leisure time than ever before and more exciting/dangerous activities available to us that we take up for one reason or the other.
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Bungee jumping is a classic example. Quite why anyone would do it head first is beyond me!!!

I haven't done Bungee jumping but what other way is their of doing it. I can't see any reason whatsoever to bungee jump. Principally because I hate heights
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I haven't done Bungee jumping but what other way is their of doing it. I can't see any reason whatsoever to bungee jump. Principally because I hate heights
It can be done in a full parachute type harness - much safer.

Although I have never done a bungee jump I have fallen off a few times years ago when I used to go climbing - the nylon rope behaves in much the same way!!!
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I don't agree with the insurance bit - I mean who decides whats extreme and what isn't? Plenty of people are injured playing golf for example. What about climbing ladders to paint your house - or horse riding - the list is endless.

Which is more irresponsible - a base jumper without insurance or a bunch of drunken fools playing around in an inflatable dinghy?
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Some of this is very relevant. Initially I wholeheartedly agreed that Extreme sporters should have insurance for medical costs. But then I wondered what other people think of us Ribsters and how it would affect me. Are we seen as extreme sporters by other people. I have insurance for my boat/car and trailer and some of this will pay out in case of serious injuries in the case of liability but I won't pay anything to use the Hospital or for the Coastguard if required. But maybe thats where our taxes kick in.

From a Canadian perspective, I can't speak about Ribbing specifically because there just aren't enough of them here to have an impact. But as for private pleasure boats in general in Canada, up until about 10 years ago the federal government had fairly minimal regulatory involvement. This was because the number of boating incidents was deemed low enough not to intervene too heavily. Most incidents that did occur were alcohol related and open liquor on boats had long been illegal anyway...

Then came the PWCs. Incidents went through the roof, and that, in combination with a meddling busybody Chretien Liberal government resulted in boat operator licensing becoming mandatory. Not that the licensing requires any great effort. You pay $40 and write a 40 question mutiple choice test that a chimpanzee could pass, and you've got a boat operator's card, yet more importantly, the government has got your cash.
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Not that the licensing requires any great effort. You pay $40 and write a 40 question mutiple choice test that a chimpanzee could pass, and you've got a boat operator's card, yet more importantly, the government has got your cash.
Ah, but you miss the point. At least they can say they have done something.

And they have your cash.
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Ah, but you miss the point. At least they can say they have done something.

And they have your cash.
Yes, I did overlook one of the central tenets of Liberal governance, which is:

Do something!, Do anything!

another such tenet is:

If it moves, tax it. If it still moves, regulate it. Once it stops, subsidize it.
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