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Old 03 August 2007, 20:23   #11
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Seems like I wasn't the only one to wonder why it took so long!!!

Brynle Williams, the Conservative AM for North Wales, who led the national fuel protests in 2000, said, “It is time the police got their act together. We are seeing this sort of thing every time there is an accident.

“Of course it is a great tragedy when someone loses a life but it does not take 11 hours to gather evidence and take photographs.

“This sort of incident warrants strong comment because otherwise nothing will get done about it. We need to be very critical of the time police are taking to handle accidents all over Wales.

“They seem to take joy in inconveniencing the public.

“If the police cannot conduct themselves in a better way than this then we should be looking for better police officers. The Welsh police force is adequately serviced so there can be no excuse.”

Former traffic police officer Adrian Llewelyn Jones was stranded for more than three hours en route to a meeting in Swindon.

“I spoke to Gwent Police and they told me the delay was due to them following strict protocol,” he said. “If that is the case then serious questions have to be asked about how police deal with these sort of things.
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Old 10 August 2007, 08:28   #12
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Well it looks like it is happening again.

M25 closed near the Gatwick turn, accident at approx 07.30 this morning, 2 lorries and a car, no reports on any injuries yet.

Tailbacks into Kent, anyone going on holiday from Gatwick today is stuffed.

Why is the road still blocked? the accident was 6 hours ago and no sign of the road reopening yet.

Surely it doesn't take long to take a few pictures, load the vehicles onto trucks, load the people into ambulances and get them out of there, sweep up the mess, (I see plenty of highway agency 4 x 4's driving around the motorway, it appears the more people employed on the motorway the longer it takes to get anything done), and get the road open again.
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Old 10 August 2007, 14:58   #13
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Apparently it's government policy - they HAVE to treat each accident as a crime scene - or so the Police SAY!!! Why people accept such crap is beyond me - if more people made a fuss they wouldn't get away with it.
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Old 10 August 2007, 16:09   #14
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Brynle Williams, the Conservative AM for North Wales, who led the national fuel protests in 2000, said, “blah, blah, blah...”
He wasn't that concerned when his fuel protest caused abject misery to millions, caused small businesses to fold. And gawd knows how many ambulances were prevented from reaching dying people..

Plan ahead, 75,000 miles a year for the last ten years, and I've never spent more than 30-45 minutes in a hold up.. I've never got anyone to the airport late either..

I also accept the amount of time needed by the Police to close the Motorway.. Sometimes its to scrape up bits of people from the carriageway.. (Rumour has it the overnight closure of the M3 southbound near Winchester last year was to enable the Police to find the head of a motorcyclist that had gone missing after a crash..) Cos I am fairly sure Joe Public would be the first to sue if their little Johnny saw part of a body smiling at him from the hard shoulder.. And sometimes the carriageway needs completely resurfacing, (EG, the M3, also southbound a few years ago when a lorry carrying gas canisters went bang..)
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Why don't they detour people around a traffic accident.

When I was involved in moving lots of vehicles we always had detours ready to put in place as soon as a road got closed.

Those useless jockeys in the Black and Yellow Range Rovers should be doing that instead of stopping next to every vehicle that has broken down on the hard shoulder and waiting for it to be recovered. What an absolute waste of money those people are.
They look very similar to Policeman, have loads of Gucci kit and seem to do very little. I for one would rather see real Police out and about.
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Old 10 August 2007, 18:23   #16
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He wasn't that concerned when his fuel protest caused abject misery to millions, caused small businesses to fold. And gawd knows how many ambulances were prevented from reaching dying people..

Plan ahead, 75,000 miles a year for the last ten years, and I've never spent more than 30-45 minutes in a hold up.. I've never got anyone to the airport late either..

I also accept the amount of time needed by the Police to close the Motorway.. Sometimes its to scrape up bits of people from the carriageway.. (Rumour has it the overnight closure of the M3 southbound near Winchester last year was to enable the Police to find the head of a motorcyclist that had gone missing after a crash..) Cos I am fairly sure Joe Public would be the first to sue if their little Johnny saw part of a body smiling at him from the hard shoulder.. And sometimes the carriageway needs completely resurfacing, (EG, the M3, also southbound a few years ago when a lorry carrying gas canisters went bang..)
Well I agreed with the fuel protest 110% - I can assure you the amount of taxes they charge us and the way they meddle with our roads bring a lot more misery. The fuel protests actually succeeded in stopping the fuel tax escalator in it's tracks - at least for quite a while. Someone just had to stand up to them - the amount of tax we pay on our fuel is OBSCENE and it's the poorer people and the economey that suffers the most.

Ambulances were NOT stopped from getting to hospitals - in fact they had a clear run as their fuel supplies were protected.

I find it incredible you have never been stuck in a jam for more than 40 mins - either very lucky or you don't have to travel long distances at peak times. I use tomtom and autoroute with gps on a laptop and have very good knowledge of the routes I traveled - at one stage 2,000 miles a week!!!
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Ambulances were NOT stopped from getting to hospitals - in fact they had a clear run as their fuel supplies were protected.

Emergency services were able to refuel private vehicles during the night.

And locally it was only Unleaded thet ran out or had the big queues. Diesel was fine once you could actually get in a garage.
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....the amount of tax we pay on our fuel is OBSCENE and it's the poorer people and the economey that suffers the most.
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So the environment and the future of our planet and our species is of no interest to you then? Fuel is way too cheap and should be taxed far more heavily than it already is.

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So the environment and the future of our planet and our species is of no interest to you then? Fuel is way too cheap and should be taxed far more heavily than it already is.

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Way too cheap where exactly? Fuel in Great Britain represents a major chunk of most families spending power!!!

Are you telling me I should pay more for fuel whilst the Chinese build an extra 2 coal fired power stations a week?

I live in a house where my ONLY form of heating is a woodburner and I use salvaged wood. What form of heating do you use?

If Great Britain vanished overnight there would only be a saving of about 0.7% in CO2 - why should we pay more when the biggest polluters don't care? Or do you think we should all suffer for token gestures???
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Way too cheap where exactly? Fuel in Great Britain represents a major chunk of most families spending power!!!
Fuel represents the main expenditure of everyone on the planet. It is too cheap - so much so we do not value it or care about it.

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I live in a house where my ONLY form of heating is a woodburner and I use salvaged wood. What form of heating do you use?
Our flat is gas heated. It is too cheap we should pay more. I doubt anyone else agrees with me.

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If Great Britain vanished overnight there would only be a saving of about 0.7% in CO2 - why should we pay more when the biggest polluters don't care? Or do you think we should all suffer for token gestures???
Everyone should pay more. If the UK vanished overnight it would make a difference. Yes everyone should make a difference. If you think it is a token gesture this is simply because so many other people are equally selfish and ignorant.

But hey that's the brits... moan moan moan moan moan....

In a capitalist world the way to limit resources is through economics. In order to reduce planet-killing emissions that means putting up the cost of fuel. Tough. Live with it. Shut up whinging. My boat is no cheaper than yours to run.

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