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Old 15 April 2005, 06:14   #41
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Old 15 April 2005, 06:29   #42
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HGV drivers, they have a bl**dy hard job and are without doubt the best drivers on the road. There are always the exceptions but that is the same for everything.
I'm sure it is a hard job and I'm sure some of them (including Martin, of course) are excellent drivers but I would like to know why so many of them tailgate one another on the motorway? Last week it was almost impossible to join the M6 because the lorry drivers had created a moving 'wall' with gaps far too small to pull into safely. It was the same when I wanted to leave the motorway - a wall of lorries that prevent you from seeing the signs advising of an approaching junction and from then leaving the motorway, unless you kow the road well enough to pull in behind them a couple of miles before the junction you need!

I really would like to know (Martin, or any other HGV drivers out there) if there is a reason for this or is it just bad driving?

Edit: sorry for going a bit off-topic but it's kind of related!
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Old 15 April 2005, 06:42   #43
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let us all perform a little experiment the next time we get in the car. Wheather you be a Judge, Police Commissioner or the pal of a road accident victim, I believe it is impossible to maintain the speed limit at all times. I've tried it and it just is impossible (for me). One either has a lapse in concentration, gets caught up in the flow of traffic or as is often the case feels badgered by a tailgating driver. It's life, there's no escaping it.
You want to try this by first reaching the correct speed for the stretch of road, then getting your passenger to cover the speedo for 15mins. I think you would be very surprised how much your speed has changed in only a small time, especially if you come across a down hill stretch (and we all know they put cameras at the bottom of hills just for this reason).
I’m sure most people wouldn’t object if these menaces were used for what they were intended for, its just that most authorities blatantly place them in positions to raise revenue & I don’t care how much they say they are not THEY ARE!
Here are just a few examples,
Speed camera goes up in Tonbridge wells, & a week later the largest cycle path sign goes up only a foot in front of the camera so its impossible to see it until you are next to it.
A20 near Sidcup speed camera is placed behind another road sign with its supporting post hidden behind one of the other posts.
At the bottom of nearly every hill just in case your speed should creep up, I have rolled past one of these on a push-bike at 45mph in a 30mph zone without even trying (my brakes were smoking).
A2 heading towards London, Rochester way relief road, there is one tucked up behind a wall on a left hand bend again this one can only be seen a few yards away from it.
They have just put 2 new ones go up on a road near me, followed by notices stating “13 incidents in the last 3 years”, people who have lived near these cameras for over 20 years have never seen an accident so where has this information been dreamt up from?
And the list could go on & on, I’m afraid all the time this sort of thing goes on more & more people get more & more resentful against them.
I have nothing against the police, & I for one would like to see more police out there stopping the dangerous drivers, rather than pop a camera up to catch someone who may stray a few MPH over the limit because they are concentrating on what’s going on around them.
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Old 15 April 2005, 06:48   #44
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Actually I utmost respect for HGV drivers, they...are without doubt the best drivers on the road.
Oh, really? Take a trip down the 2-lane section of the M11 in Essex and watch them pull out to overtake each other on one of the numerous hills, crawl past for 2 miles, cause traffic to back up for bloody miles and generally create mayhem. About time the Highways Agency started using the same system employed in Germany where, in periods of heavy traffic, overhead gantries flash up no overtaking signs for lorries - works like a dream and allows all those criminals in S-class Merc's and Audi A8's to continue their journeys unimpeded at speeds which would blow up the heads of most UK motorists.

And I don't care how many courses Traffic Plod has been on or how big the blue lights are on his Volvo T5 - he's no more capable of avoiding an accident at 120mph if granny pulls out on him in lane 3 than anyone else is.
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Actually I utmost respect for HGV drivers, they have a bl**dy hard job and are without doubt the best drivers on the road.
Bollocks...... and that's speaking as an LGV driver,Operator,EFADS qualified driver, car driver and motorcyclist.
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Oh, really? Take a trip down the 2-lane section of the M11 in Essex and watch them pull out to overtake each other on one of the numerous hills, crawl past for 2 miles, cause traffic to back up for bloody miles and generally create mayhem.
Have you noticed this has been getting worse over the last few years, I wonder why that is?
Could it have anything to do with all HGV’s being restricted to the same top speed now?
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Oh, really? Take a trip down the 2-lane section of the M11 in Essex and watch them pull out to overtake each other on one of the numerous hills, crawl past for 2 miles, cause traffic to back up for bloody miles and generally create mayhem. About time the Highways Agency started using the same system employed in Germany where, in periods of heavy traffic, overhead gantries flash up no overtaking signs for lorries - works like a dream and allows all those criminals in S-class Merc's and Audi A8's to continue their journeys unimpeded at speeds which would blow up the heads of most UK motorists.

And I don't care how many courses Traffic Plod has been on or how big the blue lights are on his Volvo T5 - he's no more capable of avoiding an accident at 120mph if granny pulls out on him in lane 3 than anyone else is.
Maybe if you had some stupid speed limiter fitted you would do the same - must be as frustrating as hell - no wonder so many of them fall asleep at the wheel - I would as well if I had to stick to 50mph!!!

On the 2nd comment couldn't agree more.

When are people going to realise the majority of people who harp on about speeding being the root of all evil are the worst sort of drivers? THEY are the ones who hog lanes - tailgate - speed in built up areas because they "never go over 40mph" etc etc.

On another note why is it these days people will indicate left coming off a roundabout but they refuse to indicate right when they are going around it??? Now I could understand people who are just too lazy to bother but why just indicate to leave??? Especially when they decide to turn right in the left hand lane which also seems to be getting more and more common!!!
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On another note why is it these days people will indicate left coming off a roundabout but they refuse to indicate right when they are going around it??? Now I could understand people who are just too lazy to bother but why just indicate to leave??? Especially when they decide to turn right in the left hand lane which also seems to be getting more and more common!!!
I like it in India where they use their hazard lights to indicate the are going straight on Des
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By the way, just as an aside, why is it that in the UK virtually no bugger flashes you coming the other way to warn of an impending mobile speed trap? I suspect it is a paranoid fear of being prosecuted for perverting the course of justice or something equally inane, or perhaps more sinisterly, a malicious desire to see a fellow motorist caught for speeding. This is in stark contrast to other European countries I've driven in where speed traps are viewed with equal cynicism as here, but where drivers invariably flash dementedly at you. I've noticed this is particularly prevalent in Eire, France, Holland, Italy and, God forbid, in law-abiding Austria. I was also particularly amused to learn from a business associate in Italy that the lenses of Gatso cameras there are frequently shot out with handguns Not that we'd be able to do that over here because of course handguns have been banned
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