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Old 06 March 2006, 12:18   #11
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A truly awful and never ending price to pay for a day out drinking with your mates. I am saddened. Lights are being added to our boat at present, though its unlikely we will operate even in twilight.
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Old 07 March 2006, 06:06   #12
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A truly awful and never ending price to pay for a day out drinking with your mates.
Yes, what a tragedy for everybody involved.

It's horrendously ironic that two very experienced local boatmen were both travelling on reciprocal courses in unlit boats at night at speed both after nights out and having consumed too much alcohol.

I think that familiarity can sometimes breed contempt and they took chances which they might perhaps normally get away with but were unlucky this time.

The vital point is they couldn't see each other; if they had been lit one or the other could have taken early avoiding action, even if impaired by alcohol.
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one or the other could have taken early avoiding action, even if impaired by alcohol.
One of them did...
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Old 07 March 2006, 07:27   #14
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One of them did...
Not early enough...

...Kets started to turn to port after seeing the bow wave of Carrie Kate (not the lights) but was still struck on the starboard bow, presumably just having started the turn. If they could have seen them just a few seconds earlier maybe the collision could have been avoided.
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Old 07 March 2006, 07:47   #15
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Accident may have still happened, he turned to Port NOT Starboard. Now if the sport cruiser done the correct thing to pass Port to Port they probably would have still colided.

Any way this is after the incedent and to late. Sad for all involved.
A sulty lesson for others.
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Accident may have still happened, he turned to Port NOT Starboard. Now if the sport cruiser done the correct thing to pass Port to Port they probably would have still colided.

Any way this is after the incedent and to late. Sad for all involved.
A sulty lesson for others.

He should have turned to starboard but even so he may have got away with it as Carrie Kate never saw Kets and consequently didn't take any avoiding action at all...

But you're right, very sad all round and a lesson for all to remember.
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I actually was right on the scene about 20 mins before the accident comming back from a cruise up to Plymouth.

I thank my lucky stars that I wasnt 20 minutes later and would have had to deal with 2 unlit boats crossiong my path one from each side.

I am very sorry this resulted in loss of life but there is NO excuse for being out at night with no nav lights or at least a torch.

If im out at night I not only have full nav lights but a bloody 1 million candle power spot lamp looking where im going - no one is going to miss me comming.
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....I am very sorry this resulted in loss of life but there is NO excuse for being out at night with no nav lights or at least a torch.....
this was the point I was making or at least trying to, no lights and travelling fast at night were the main causes of the accident but the MCA in there infinite wisdom are asking the DFT for a limit on alcohol consumption how does work
Although drink driving in cars is probably an issue, the evidence to support a similar ban for leisure mariners is non existent

OK there have been one or two headline cases but they only represent a very small percentage of the total.

Law should punish you once you have done something wrong, but drink driving rules punish you because you might do something wrong, where does this type of approach end Des
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Good topic this drinking part

1) Whilst there is no evidence of drinking and helming, i am not sure it is ever really checked, unless your boating job is something where they do and obivously in those cases you would not.

2) Stopping people drink on boats - no evidence but maybe a pro-active move

i would never have a drink and helm a boat, but i never would in a car, why too much to lose, including my family
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There are times (mainly whilst out at sea in very low density traffic) where being completely out of your box will have negligible impact on your ability to helm your boat.

However if you are for instance trying to tow waterskiers, wake boarders, Ringo's, etc... in a busy designated ski area where not only do you need to keep an eye out for other boats but also fallen skiers etc in the water and you are constantly having to think 3 moves ahead simply to avoid killing someone. Drinking and Helming in this type of situation is plain and simply reckless.

As to the question do we need laws to prevent the worst happening - its like everything - a few irresponsible people need to be controlled so everyone has to suffer an inconvenient law.

With reference to this accident - both boats were acting irresponsibly on many levels - drinking being just one of them. It is a bloody long and expensive taxi ride from falmouth to st mawes by road - but just a few minutes by boat - if drinking and helming had been illegal I bet these people would not have even been on opposite sides of the river estuary for a night out.

There is even a fairly in expensive water taxi service aquacab that operates in the area that they might have taken if there had been a drinking law.
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