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Old 20 July 2004, 08:38   #1
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M4 and M5 motorway

Am I the only person that has started to notice really bad rutting on the above motorways?

It makes driving on them really difficult cause my trailer fits the rutts but my car is that bit narrower and seems just sit on the side of the rutts. If I stop concentrating 100% its drifts down in the rutts and back down so the whole rig looks like its driven by a drunken wally!

Is it just me????

Plus, has anybody else been charged different amounts on the M6 toll with the same car/trailer combination?

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Old 20 July 2004, 08:41   #2
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The M27 going West from Portsmouth is terrible for this. Its big trucks on hot roads that does it.
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Old 20 July 2004, 09:21   #3
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Yes it is not very friendly, it makes cruising the middle lane a pleasure not that I would recommend this!
It is about the only good thing about the old concrete motorways, you do not get any ruts!
You have to remember that we as road users do not contribute much in the way to the up keep of our roads!!!!!!!
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At last something I know the answer too.

The reasons for the ruts in the road are due to the increase in moments of military vehicles and the weight of them. This is why the motorways are mostly bad around operational bases, i.e. the M3 from Aldershot to Southampton and the M4 reading to Salisbury. And the roads were never intended o carry the weight of a couple of tanks on the back of a low loader.

I hope this explains the reason behind it.
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Lee are you saying that the weight limit on HGV dose not apply to the Army?
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You'll never see two tanks on a low loader. 1 tank weighs in excess of 65t. You may see 2 or more APC's though. Living V close to Salisbury plain, we see military movments regularly however these are usually convoy's of 7 - 16 Tonne's.
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Although I am sure that Army Lorries add to the problem I am not convinced that they are the main culprits, you get rutting on all roads over time.

The main problem is that tarmac is a liquid, all be it a very turgid one, over time it will move and it will rut and then we will all sit in a queue for hours paying to have it dug up and put down again.

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ps Challenger 2 weighs 63 tons add the lorry and the all up weight is close on 110 ton but because it is multi wheeled its ground pressure is comparatively low.
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Plus, has anybody else been charged different amounts on the M6 toll with the same car/trailer combination?
I got charged a whopping 5 to tow my RIB on the M6 toll, 2 without a trailer, but it hasn't varied from this. The only explanation in your case would have to be that on one or more occasions you travelled 'off-peak' when of course the rate drops.
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Des, 63 Tonnes is conservative, for CR2 it really depend on a,the role b, the final fit and C what Equipment schedule it's loaded with.
Spot on ground pressure will be less that a standard 38 tonner.
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I got charged a whopping 5 to tow my RIB on the M6 toll, 2 without a trailer, but it hasn't varied from this. The only explanation in your case would have to be that on one or more occasions you travelled 'off-peak' when of course the rate drops.
You see at 6-7pm I got charged 9 (a HGV only gets charged 10!) This was a Weekday. Same week, same time, different day 3????!!!

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