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Old 04 October 2005, 17:40   #11
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a vehicle that had allegro door handles 20 years later?
At least it wasn't the steering wheel!

I developed an interesting technique in handling Rover main dealers a few years ago when Louise had a new Rover car. It suffered from occasional flat batteries which was just what you wanted (not!) on a cold morning after trading in your old but reliable car for the new expensive one. Anyway, after the third or fourth failure, I 'phoned the service manager and insisted on some answers. I asked him how many fully trained technicians he had, how he rated their expertise, and if he had confidence in the product. After getting him to commit to backing the product and the staff 100% I asked him what he would do for us the next time the car broke down. He promised us that in the unlikely event of this happening, their own recovery truck would bring a courtesty car out to swop and avoid us the AA/RAC coming out twice, relaying, etc.

We then moved house, 145 miles away.

The next time the car wouldn't start, I 'phoned him, and kept him to his promise. The car was fixed properly that time
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Old 04 October 2005, 18:04   #12
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So much depends on the actual mechanic in question. I have only met 2 who work for main dealers that I would ever have faith in - one works for a Rover dealer - the other for Suzuki/Nissan.

Having said that when it comes to car electrics it is a different ball game altogether. A very good mate of mine has just got out of auto electrics to go onto better things but when he was up and running ALL the main dealers in our area would come to him when they were really stuck.

The trouble is the way modern car electrics are going you need electronics engineers and even then it is often the case that the only way to fix something is to unplug a module and put a new one in.

Bit like a faulty network card in a computer - when you finally realsi it's faulty you just bin it and put a new one in - nnot worth messing about for a 10. Sadly most car ECUs cost a hell of a lot more than that!!!
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Sadly the ineptitude of main dealer technicians (they're called technicians these days not mechanics mind) appears to be a global phenomenon and not restricted to LR either. I recently took the jeep in to have a problem with the front passenger electric window sorted which they did successfully but in the process managed to disconnect the door handle so it was impossible to get out of the car! And this was a friggin master technician too.

I can't offer the OP any advice on his stalling LR except to observe that finding a good independent specialist would probably be a good recourse on a vehicle of that era. Main dealers sadly will have their hands full with fixing the problems of the newer vehicles..............

And far be it from me to dispute the word of Cod these days but, have you considered there is a reason why engines are getting ever more complex (emissions) and that car electronics are indeed plug and play. The costs of replacing ECU's etc are driven by a) the fact that the economies of scale are vastly lower than the computer business and b) car manufacturers desperately need to make money on parts because they make little on the actual cars themselves!
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And far be it from me to dispute the word of Cod these days but, have you considered there is a reason why engines are getting ever more complex (emissions) and that car electronics are indeed plug and play. The costs of replacing ECU's etc are driven by a) the fact that the economies of scale are vastly lower than the computer business and b) car manufacturers desperately need to make money on parts because they make little on the actual cars themselves! [/QUOTE]

On "a" I would disagree - look how many cars share common parts and look at just how many they build - in some cases millions!!!

A few years ago we did some work for a large component supplier to Ford - a bloke I know had just paid about 75 for a heater control part. When I mentioned it to someone at the factory where they were actually made they were horrified - they sold them for 3!!!

Some parts though are stupidly cheap - how can they charge 50 for a simple switch - then sell a large piece of precision machined steel that is vital to safety for 12(brake disc)!!!
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Some parts though are stupidly cheap - how can they charge 50 for a simple switch - then sell a large piece of precision machined steel that is vital to safety for 12(brake disc)!!!
supply and demand
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On "a" I would disagree - look how many cars share common parts and look at just how many they build - in some cases millions!!!

A few years ago we did some work for a large component supplier to Ford - a bloke I know had just paid about 75 for a heater control part. When I mentioned it to someone at the factory where they were actually made they were horrified - they sold them for 3!!!

Some parts though are stupidly cheap - how can they charge 50 for a simple switch - then sell a large piece of precision machined steel that is vital to safety for 12(brake disc)!!!
Car Industry economics 101....

Of course the supplier sells the bloody heater control part for 3 quid. The car manufacturer has a highly experienced bunch of purchasing professionals whose job is to buy that widget for 3 quid. Although the bean counters think it should cost 2 quid but the engineers have specified a part that should cost 4 quid. The aftermarket price for that part will be massively higher, not only because the distribution costs are significantly higher than for the part used in production but also because they can charge more!

I may not have a mate who does this, has that or whatever. I do have some experience in this field so forgive me my exasperation with the word of Cod on this occasion.
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Car Industry economics 101....

Of course the supplier sells the bloody heater control part for 3 quid. The car manufacturer has a highly experienced bunch of purchasing professionals whose job is to buy that widget for 3 quid. Although the bean counters think it should cost 2 quid but the engineers have specified a part that should cost 4 quid. The aftermarket price for that part will be massively higher, not only because the distribution costs are significantly higher than for the part used in production but also because they can charge more!

I may not have a mate who does this, has that or whatever. I do have some experience in this field so forgive me my exasperation with the word of Cod on this occasion.
I only disagreed with one little thing you said for goodness sake - the attack was at the amount they charge - NOT at you!!!
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Car Industry economics 101....

...has a highly experienced bunch of purchasing professionals whose job is to buy that widget for 3 quid. Although the bean counters think it should cost 2 quid but the engineers have specified a part that should cost 4 quid.

Welcome tro the wonderful world of engineering.... run by "bean counters" I think you have summed up pretty much what is wrong with industry in this country (and others no doubt).
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Jon,

I had an almost identical problem on mine (P reg v8 auto). It stalled started after a rest a couple of times but would then only get half a mile or so before stopping again. It was apparently an immobiliser problem which a local independant landie mechanic (and rib nut) sorted out by bypassing it. PM me if you want me to try and get hold of him for more detail.

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dodgy Idle control valve? - split in a vacuum hose going to or fro
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