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Old 06 September 2013, 07:40   #11
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Im only trained to rescue diver level so not exactly an authority but Id have suspected that (as with all diving related accidents) there is a need to get the diver (and likely buddy) to a Deco chamber as soon as possible as DCS is always a possibility even if not the immediate issue.

The nearest chamber can of course be quite a distance away and not at the nearest hospital. The Helo is the most flexible route and can easily divert to wherever is needed. If the dive boat was already administering O2 (which it should have been) any rescue boat cannot do any more than this apart from head to shore. The Helo would then be the best choice even if it took 20mins longer to be on scene.

Just my thoughts but i believe the DAN guidelines tend to opt for Helo as first option...

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seems I started a ** storm. There appears to be some issues about what service is used. The nearest has to be first call and head with casualty towards shore, Helicopter could then have a shorter lift time and collect casualty of fastest rescue running for shore- Not saying deceased would have survived but Caister may well have a arguement they were excluded and could have got running back fast well before other support to get to them.

If I had an injured/dying party aboard and a fast response unit could be with me in less time and as outline 20-30 mins ahead of others I would have been very happy to see their support on scene. I have only been at one incident just offshore and then involved Helicopter for casulaty from shore pick up and thats very disturbing. Any help offered by professionals is very welcome
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exactly - it is surprising they didn't send both...
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seems I started a ** storm. There appears to be some issues about what service is used. The nearest has to be first call and head with casualty towards shore, Helicopter could then have a shorter lift time and collect casualty of fastest rescue running for shore- Not saying deceased would have survived but Caister may well have a arguement they were excluded and could have got running back fast well before other support to get to them.

If I had an injured/dying party aboard and a fast response unit could be with me in less time and as outline 20-30 mins ahead of others I would have been very happy to see their support on scene. I have only been at one incident just offshore and then involved Helicopter for casulaty from shore pick up and thats very disturbing. Any help offered by professionals is very welcome
That's all understood. However, DCS vics are like cans of soda - best not dropped or shaken. I am also an sports Rescue Diver and we were always warned about excessive jolting and even driving on bumpy roads at speed. Transhipping someone with DCS and racing towards shore is not a great plan. Helo crew are professionally trained to deal with these situations. No reason not to have other services standing by. The Coast Guard aren't so late. They'll have had their reasons.
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Also not sure if winch from Caister as feasible as winch from an ALB. Equally, some chatter on a SAR forum suggests time gap would be less than 20 mins.
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Id have suspected that (as with all diving related accidents) there is a need to get the diver (and likely buddy) to a Deco chamber as soon as possible as DCS is always a possibility even if not the immediate issue.
CPR on board the dive boat implies the diver's heart and/or lungs were not working. Doubtful that a chamber ride would have been prescribed until those were stabilized.

Boat crew on-scene means more bodies to continue emergency care (plus most likely a bigger arsenal of emergency equipment); can't see that as a bad thing even if the ultimate transport was to be by helicopter.

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CPR on board the dive boat implies the diver's heart and/or lungs were not working. Doubtful that a chamber ride would have been prescribed until those were stabilized.

Boat crew on-scene means more bodies to continue emergency care (plus most likely a bigger arsenal of emergency equipment); can't see that as a bad thing even if the ultimate transport was to be by helicopter.
Its unlikely that the lifeboat would bring extra resource beyond that in the helo for a single casualty evacuation. Lifeboats here don't automatically carry paramedics and may not have a defib on board. Both would be on the helo.
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