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Old 27 December 2009, 08:39   #11
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BTB,
these guys are well over the line of "the end justifies the means" I think you will find that nobody here supports whaling per se but whether you like it or not what they are doing is legal and taking the law into their own hands because they don't agree with it is not.
They are obviously taking the view that this is a "special case" but who decides that?
This "special case" argument has been applied to everything from honour killings to the Holocaust and each time breaking the law has been justified by the perpertrators because the "law" doesn't take account of this situation, its too urgent/important etc etc.
These guys are taking direct action and while the object may be admirable the methods IMO are certainly not, just the same as the land based loonies firebombing research labs and homes is also unacceptable.
This is apart from the obvious incompetence of their operation and the fact that somebody is going to get seriously injured or killed eventually.
The only protest I support is peaceful protest and if folk feel strongly enough this will work.
Are you trying to argue that bombarding ships with cans, paint and other obnoxious substances, illegal boardings and thefts, rammings and all other sorts of nonsense in very dangerous southern waters is actually justified and acceptable and if so, how?
Have you read some of the exploits of the sea shepherd mob on their own website? They are quite frankly damned, in their own words, as a bunch of enviroloonies that IMO should be locked up for their own safety never mind everyone elses........
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Old 27 December 2009, 14:33   #12
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Why do you find it necessary to dig up archive footage ? They were gung ho for the camera and of course they looked bloody stupid.
the captain of the ship is one of the founders of the organisation as so one would assume that his "enthusiasm" (or if your prefer "stupidity") is prevelant throughout the organisation. Anyone niave enough to allow their organisation to presented in the media in the way that they have deserves any criticism levied at them. I believe he was one of the founders of Greenpeace so he is obviously not actually stupid - but the footage clearly shows he is recklesss in his endeavours to 'fight' his cause.
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These people have moved on ( I'm not saying that they are a professional crew now because they are still amateurs, giving up their time for a cause they feel passionate about)
I would assume from the biography on their website that "Captain Watson" is in fact a Professional seaman. The others may give their time freely but that's no excuse for not acting professionally. An organisation that chooses to allow people to opperate in vessels of that scale in difficult environments with innadequate training or management control is itself unprofessional.
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However the difference is that they are actually DOING SOMETHING down in the antarctic instead of cyber sneering from behind a warm keyboard.
perhaps you are over estimating the strength of feeling about the whaling, seal culling issues. You obviously feel strongly about it - so feel free to get up off your arse and do something about it. Personally whilst I'm not enthusiastic about whaling, sealing etc I have never lost any sleep over it - and so have no desire to do anything about it - whether you shout at me or not. Bruce summed up my thoughts pretty well - but I would add that change will come from diplomacy not 'direct action'. And those taking agressive action like this are about as likely to be welcome at the diplomacy table as Al Quaedia!
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Having met some of the crew and their supporters, I have strong views on the justification of their cause. However I have no wish to get into a protracted argument defending Paul Watson, his actions or those of his crew or supporters against the prevalent attitude on this thread and choose not to visit this forum again.

I have found Ribnet to be a valuable resource and have met some really decent people over the years.
wow has it taken 7.5 years for someone to say something that pissed you off? There's three courses of action open to you when that happens: (1) fight it out - if you believe in the cause; (2) make your comment but avoid a protracted argument; (3) ignore it all together. Your attitude of "I disagree with you, and therefore will not even discuss it, nor anything else, with you" is roughly how my six-year old behaves!
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Old 27 December 2009, 15:10   #13
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I have to say that I agree with Polwart 100%.

Every time I see these guys on tv I am left in utter disbelief. I have spent time in Antarctica
& it certainly isnt a place for incompetent & wreckless seafarers.
Mr. Bittentobuggery, if you feel so passionate about this cause then stand up & be counted, if you make your case then there are intelligent people on here that can digest that information, if you choose to childishly opt out then your passion for then cause is questionable & compromised. If not I suggest that you continue making homemade candles & quilt knitting or whatever other green & wholesome pastimes you may have.
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i cringe at the thought of them craning that over the side after some of their earlier exploits with the delta rib .though they seem now to have sorted that problem out by looking at the latest series,,,one thing though if the japanise are allowed to kill whales for sientific /sampling reasons ,, just exactly how many samples do they need ,,lol,,,echos of unit 731
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if you feel so passionate about this cause then stand up & be counted
Ah Jaysus, it's that time of the year again...

Fair 'nuff, here I go again. I deeply regret that those idiots are effing about with that piece of maritime art, Earthrace. I sincerely wish they had torpedoes. Best of luck to 'em!
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I have spent time in Antarctica
& it certainly isnt a place for incompetent & wreckless seafarers.
I think this is probably the main reason I am so horrified about their actions. I have worked in the Artic circle at sea as well and the thought of these folk fills me with dread at the thought of the possibilities of disaster, both to themselves and everyone else.
The northern or southern oceans (but probably even more so in the southern ocean) are not the places to have anyone in the water if you want a even reasonable chance of surviving it.
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