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Old 24 September 2015, 04:56   #31
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....... I don't think VW will be the only fall out of this scandal.
Absolutely. VW/Audi/Skoda/Seat/Bentley I would be EXTREMELY surprised if other manufacturers aren't doing the same. There is a deafening silence from the rest of the industry, I'm not hearing Ford-GM-BMW-JLR-Mercedes coming out & saying "we'd never do that" This is another banking scandal; one gets found out & the rest come crashing down behind. VW have some of the most technically advanced diesels on the planet & if they are having to fiddle the figures to make them fit, how can other diesel manufacturers produce engines that don't need fiddling, go figure
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...and said that's really not appropriate
Ooooh! Lucky he had you on the phone and not me....

....I would have had "one of my little moments" at that point! That pup needs to man up and take his licks. His employers effed up and so long as you're not abusive to him personally he should put up and shut up! All IMHO natch
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I have no love for the EPA and California air quality board, most of what they do seems to lack any scientific basis.

as I don't own a VW but my biggest gripe is they they probably just killed diesel in the USA. It was already just a niche fuel, other than for our (my) giant pickup trucks, but this is probably the last straw for consumer vehicles. Now we just have the ridiculous hybrid crap.

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Completely agree and that's the way our government wants it. It's no accident. The Obama administration had declared war on fossil fuels and the internal combustion engine long ago.
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Absolutely. VW/Audi/Skoda/Seat/Bentley I would be EXTREMELY surprised if other manufacturers aren't doing the same. There is a deafening silence from the rest of the industry, I'm not hearing Ford-GM-BMW-JLR-Mercedes coming out & saying "we'd never do that" This is another banking scandal; one gets found out & the rest come crashing down behind. VW have some of the most technically advanced diesels on the planet & if they are having to fiddle the figures to make them fit, how can other diesel manufacturers produce engines that don't need fiddling, go figure
Like the banking scandal the government is playing the lead role. When regulation is hammered in without economic consideration, affected parties will find a way to stay economically viable. Some might cheer the heavy hand, but be careful what you wish for.

The global warming hysteria is unfounded, dangerous and costly. The economic impacts are massive and the less fortunate will ultimately suffer. This "scandal", created by the government, can push Europe into a recession. Enjoy the corporate witch hunt with peril.
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Like the banking scandal the government is playing the lead role. When regulation is hammered in without economic consideration, affected parties will find a way to stay economically viable. Some might cheer the heavy hand, but be careful what you wish for.

The global warming hysteria is unfounded, dangerous and costly. The economic impacts are massive and the less fortunate will ultimately suffer. This "scandal", created by the government, can push Europe into a recession. Enjoy the corporate witch hunt with peril.
Tempting as it is to answer this post, I must resist as RIBnet doesn't do Politics - which is where this is headed, IMO. Any debate on the wrongheaded Government insistence that the planet is warming up, populated by the decendents of apes or is spherical in shape must be conducted on another forum

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An interesting topic this, but I still don't know what the consequence for me as the man on the street is yet.

I have three modes of transport with VW derived engines in them. Am I going to get a recall on the diesel ones for some sort of software update? Will that have any impact on my day to day fuel economy or driveability? TBH I really don't care about NOx issues etc as I'm not in the habit of running a pipe from the exhaust for any extra curricular activities and I didn't make my purchases based on environmental qualities. Nor do I pay tax based on specified emissions. IMHO it actually goes to show how clever the VW boffins are!
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Like the banking scandal the government is playing the lead role. When regulation is hammered in without economic consideration, affected parties will find a way to stay economically viable. Some might cheer the heavy hand, but be careful what you wish for.

The global warming hysteria is unfounded, dangerous and costly. The economic impacts are massive and the less fortunate will ultimately suffer. This "scandal", created by the government, can push Europe into a recession. Enjoy the corporate witch hunt with peril.
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Tempting as it is to answer this post, I must resist as RIBnet doesn't do Politics - which is where this is headed, IMO. Any debate on the wrongheaded Government insistence that the planet is warming up, populated by the decendents of apes or is spherical in shape must be conducted on another forum

Yes, fair enough.
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To much fuss over nowt prob won't make much difference it's all these Greenies that's fussing 😉 BTW what's a Ssangyong 🙈
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..... BTW what's a Ssangyong ��
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Yes, fair enough.
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