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Old 28 December 2006, 12:39   #11
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The Falklands

Thank you for that Stephan.

It seems such a long time ago when you think of Maggie and Ronnie and the Falklands and the ill fated Belgrano..

I can only imagine the place. I will check the websites posted in due course.
Some fellow bought all the Ex Army equipment and sold it off for a good deal of money. He then bought site in Dublin and build big Hotel and Golf course.

It did seem a bit of an over reaction at the time to send half the Navy and Army across the world over a Title issue.
I seem to recall the Junta in Argentina been over thrown soon after...
Anyone recall???
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Old 28 December 2006, 12:56   #12
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It's only an overreaction if you haven't just been booted out of your country with no prospect of ever returning! And where do you draw the line if it is ok for a foreign power to invade sovereign territory with military force - the Spanish could take over Gib, the Chinese walk into Hong Kong, I guess when the French invaded Jersey because it was closer to France than England and therefore ought to be French territory, it might start to feel like it was getting a bit close to home

Garf, it was Dad that was the "political undesirable" but we all got tarred with the same brush, which in a way was quite gratifying wish I had been 10 yrs older I would have stayed and caused as much trouble as I could, but age 9 is a bit young to be waving an SLR - though I did get to have a go with one on my 10th birthday, and a GPMG and a 66MM LAW (anti tank rocket) and some thunderflashes. Oh those were the days, before defence cuts were invented

Galtieri and the Junta were given the boot very shortly afterwards because they lost. Public confidence in a military dictatorship is a very fickle thing...!
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Old 28 December 2006, 13:00   #13
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Yes it was actually the best thing that could have ever happened to the Argies - they had democracy again.

As to it being an over reaction Mr Luxton may not be posting from the FALKLANDS if we hadn't reacted as we did!!!

As to who owns the islands it IS a very complex matter - maybe the thoughts and wishes of the people who actually LIVE there should be taken as the most important? In that case it's well and truly BRITISH!!!
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Old 28 December 2006, 16:27   #14
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Been there, done that, great trip http://www.wavelengthtraining.co.uk/photo's.htm

white water rafting etc in Chile, then over to falklands working with falklands conservation (little 5.3m humber attaque-with a cuddy! mid eighties vintage and as good as new). Elephant seals, sea lions, king penguins, killer whales - wow! Loved it -but it was february and the weather was great. (Funny when some of them visited here to stay with us the F.I. folk came over in June )
I though it was a bit like Scotland-minus the b****y midges-but no none told me and I took enough midge cream to kill millions of the buggers. Always aware while we were there of the lack of a coastguard/lifeboat resource while we were at sea. And then the possibility of a long walk if we managed to paddle it back ashore somewhere remote after a problem. Perhaps explains why virtually no-one seemed to go boating-except that ****** jet ski in stanley harbour-yep there was even one of them!
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Yes it was actually the best thing that could have ever happened to the Argies - they had democracy again.

As to it being an over reaction Mr Luxton may not be posting from the FALKLANDS if we hadn't reacted as we did!!!

As to who owns the islands it IS a very complex matter - maybe the thoughts and wishes of the people who actually LIVE there should be taken as the most important? In that case it's well and truly BRITISH!!!
Correct on 1 & 2, would never have got back under Argentine rule.

As for the third point, it's actually quite simple.

1) Britain discovered the Falklands
2) Britain made the first landing here
3) While Britain, Spain and France all had, and abandoned, colonies at different times, Britain was the country that finally settled permanently and we have had 173 years of continuous British reign apart from ten weeks twenty-five years ago
4) We speak English, have the Queen on our stamps and currency (which are pounds and pence), drive on the left hand side of the road in right hand drive vehicles, sing the British national anthem on the Queens birthday (which is a public holiday, obviously), have red telephone boxes and a red Royal Mail letterbox outside the post office, use 240V mains, BT telephone sockets and PAL televisions.
5) Most (native) people here are of British descent, eight generations in some cases.
6) We have nothing in common with any of the languages, cultures, political values or in fact anything at all with any of the countries in South America nor does anybody want to. Well there are a handful of nutters but it takes all sorts to make a world!

Pretty clear cut really
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Old 28 December 2006, 17:04   #16
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More than we do in Wales !!! Well only in Old Peoples back gardens

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Old 28 December 2006, 17:22   #17
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It's often commented that in some ways this place is more British that Britain itself. I suppose in a way its a bit like Britain twenty or thirty years ago, many people still leave their doors open and keys in their vehicles all the time. I could comfortably leave the keys in my Discovery all day and be sure it would still be here when I came home in the evenings. On the other side, there are a very high proportion of houses with Internet access so the population isn't scared to embrace the Noughties either.

The Governor's official "flag" vehicle for many years was a burgundy red London taxi, forgot to mention that

Crime is low (mostly petty crime, drink driving and alcohol related pub punch ups) and drugs are virtually non existent, partly because its hard to sneak them in and partly because you'll get a couple of months in chokey for possession (and then be deported) instead of a caution or whatever it is over there these days - and long may it last!

Wales is nice too, I spent a few days up around the Llandovery area a couple of years back and I could comfortably live there if I get booted out again...
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Old 28 December 2006, 17:33   #18
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Shame that these days we wouldn't have enough ships (RN or Merchant marine) to do it. I can commend Sandy Woodwards book '100 days' as a good read on the subject.
not true..

good book recommend though.
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Old 28 December 2006, 18:03   #19
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It's often commented that in some ways this place is more British that Britain itself.
Almost call the place "Little Britain"

Like your comment on the keys in the car -

You cant leave the keys in my Defender in Wales, the f**king Thing locks it self from time to time. Nothing like your car locked outside the bank on double yellows, engine running, dog in the passenger seat listening to Kylie with and your Lifeboat Pager going off, Doh !

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British seems to be a very loose term these days what with Britain being so Multi Cultural!

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