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Old 20 July 2006, 16:07   #21
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There's a fine line between freedom of choice and being a prat.
Fine line? More like a broad crayon... They are completely different things!
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Richard,

absolutely right - my mistake.

What I meant was that freedom of choice often assists in removing those too stupid to know better from the gene pool.
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Sounds good to me!
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Old 20 July 2006, 19:11   #24
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Codprawn your post here cant really be taken seriously , anything to do with ,laws or Government, rules etc you have a problem with
In that respect already your opinion is biased.
If you dont wear a lifejacket, you have no place on a boat, dont just argue for the sake of it.
Maritime safety rules are there for a reason, respect Mr Blairs Governments wishes and abide by them, by falling in and not having a pfd, you cost me money
I always wear a lifejacket and I always use my seatbelt in the car - I don't do it because it's law - I do it because it's common sense.

On my boat I will ADVISE people to wear a lifejacket - if they are under 16 I will make them!!!

Far more people die in the water when they are NOT boating - it is totally impractical to expect people to wear a lifejacket when they are just near water!!!
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On my boat I will ADVISE people to wear a lifejacket ...
Thought you were going to get commercially coded? The you'll need to INSIST onlife jacket use!
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Thought you were going to get commercially coded? The you'll need to INSIST onlife jacket use!
Different with fare paying passengers!!!
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Things seem to work pretty well on the non-tidal Thames and there are no major problems. In the Port of London the routinely breathalise skippers for erratic and stupid behaviour.
That sounds like a good system. Unfortunaly this doesnt seem to apply to the waterways round here. At the moment it's not policy for neither the police nor the Broads Authroity to breathalise people even if they are clearly drunk and in charge of a boat. (Which makes one ask why we have police on the Broads; "Broads Beat" has just been given a brand new Humber and a Range Rover to tow it with
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Which makes one ask why we have police on the Broads; "Broads Beat" has just been given a brand new Humber and a Range Rover to tow it with )
Tim, your innocence is excusable as you're still undergoing full time education. The police have a long standing obligation to have the latest, most expensive bits of kit that we, the taxpayers, can afford. There is, of course, no imperative that links this expense with crime detection or prevention, but then again the police do very little of that sort of thing anyway.
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Well codders

It would be a sad old world if everyone agreed.

Whilst not every fatal marine crash can be put down to drink there are a good number that are and a good number of "bumps" that are too!

No one rides on any boat I am in charge of without a life jacket.
If you don't like it get off!!
When your on my boat you are my responsibilty.
Your life in my hands.
I will do all in my power to ensure they are safe.
So that includes me not drinking and all wearing jackets.

Sorry but I think your fool hardy to "advise" them to wear a jacket.
If they fall in and die how guilty will you feel if you had not insisted on a jacket!!!

On a powerboat if things go wrong they go wrong fast and hard.

I also think that the suggestion that only boats that can do over 14 knts should be included in a drinking ban.
Have you seen the damage a sailing boat can cause even at slow speed?

I don't want a "nanny" state any more than the rest of us but sometimes it is for the best that this kinda thing comes in.

Maybe I am a tad anal when it comes to safety but I have seen first hand, more than once, the carnage a drunk driver leaves in his or her wake.

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I donít think you can make a reasonable comparison between seatbelts and life jackets.
When it became mandatory to wear a seatbelt, deaths on the road went down from around 20k PA to under 5k and injuries by a similar %.
In 2002 (last reliable statistics) only 22 people drowned in boating related incidents and the stats donít show how many of them were wearing lifejacket but if you are one of those people who believe the urban myth about leg straps then at least half were. So introducing compulsory lifejacket would have little benefit.
I wear a life jacket when conditions dictate, I always wear a buoyancy aid when dingy racing, I never wear a lifejacket when doing foredeck on a racing yacht and I will occasionally wear a jacket on the RIB.
The ability to assess risk comes with experience and maybe to gain experience people should wear lifejackets but to make it compulsory is ridicules.
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