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Old 14 June 2012, 05:01   #51
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Or we could all just agree that Landrovers are the best 4X4XFAR
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Old 14 June 2012, 06:12   #52
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Sign of the times (pardon the pun). It's to advise impatient motorists it cannot go any faster!

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You're missing my point Peter, are we not all restricted to 70MPH.

As for landy best 4x4x whatever, they are like harley davidsons. All the people who own them and swear by them seem to have changed soooo many parts to make them good that they aint what they was.
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Yes we are but my point is everybody now seems to think different so when they are "stuck" behind such a restricted truck them get irate and expect him to get out of the way etc. that's why these signs are used!

He may be but your not restricted to 70, you can choose to break the law. He's physically forced to that limit, perhaps I'd we all were then this debate would not be open!

Anyway I agree, case closed!
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Get nicked, did we? Pay attention or pay a fine...
Never been nicked but had to pay some speeding fines, there are other very poorly designed speed traps that reduce the safety of roads in Leicestershire so sadly I do not subscribe to the idea that they are doing a valiant and missunderstood job.

Now if Messrs Gatso and co can design a camera that takes a picture when some knobhead is on their mobile, that might be a useful contribution.

I did not realise that some red traffic light camera operators tie the police and council into a contract that forbids them from altering the timings of amber - and that's not about revenue gathering.....
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Last year in our local rag there was an artical about a motorist at a red light who moved forward over the line in rush hour traffic to let an ambulance through while on blues and twos. He got prosecuted by the police as the camera flashed him, he appealed and lost, the police said that emergency vehicles are trained for this kind of thing and that he should have stayed put.

Next time your at a red light and a police car has sirens blazing just stay put, and if they can't get through, see what happens.... you probably would be prosecuted for failing to let an emergency vehicle get past you
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First point I will make is that I drive fast cars and I'm no angel but last time I got caught by camera I was offered a speeding awareness course as an option. I took it and found it fascinating, yes there is no content not covered in driving lessons but lets just say that was a few years ago!! Most memorable bit was that a safety camera can only be put where there have been three deaths in five years ( from memory) and a mobile one if there has been one death. Ergo, they are trying to regulate speed in dangerous places.

If you get offered it I suggest attending with an open mind. It made me think for sure!
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Luke McCormack killed the family as he was DRUNK! excess speed was not the factor, if sober it is likely he'd have seen them and slowed down, or avoided them.

We have cars designed to go over 80 as in certain conditions it's safer to accelerate past something or on to a slip road when needed.

Plus speed limits vary across Europe.

What happened to judgement? There aren't speed limits generally on the water, but we take care. Oh sorry, forgot, we are all incapable of making our own decisions.

Personally in a modern decent car, 100mph on a quiet motorway is less dangerous than old Landrovers at the speed limit anywhere!!
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What happened to judgement? There aren't speed limits generally on the water, but we take care. Oh sorry, forgot, we are all incapable of making our own decisions.
We are capable of making our own decisions and should likewise be capable of the consequences of those decisions. Luke DECIDED to drive after a heavy night on it, he choose to break the law. No different to speeding which is also a criminal offence. It's not for us to decide which is more "criminal". By choosing to speed we have to accept the consequences, be it a fine, points, sentence etc. That's all I'm saying. I do (speed nor drink/drive) on the odd occasion and balance the risk accordingly.

Cannot help thinking if this was on a river and it was speeding jet skis going past us ribs we'd all expect them to be fined or taken off the water. If a yachtie warned them the HM was up river we'd all kick up a stink and feel it better they got caught. Where's the difference ?

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Right oh! I've been biting my tongue until now, but I'll wade in with my thoughts on the subject. First of all, I don't claim to hold any moral high ground, people in high places fall further. I've had my share of speeding tickets & have just successfully defended another in court, which is the reason I've kept quiet, I didn't want to tempt fate. I've attended a speed awareness course which, if you sifted out the patronising cr4p was quite informative, especially the bits about how to identify different speed limits without signs & where speed cameras like to lurk. I genuinely try to obey the speed limits, with the amount of traffic on the roads, there is little advantage to speeding, you still end up doing the average speed for the traffic on that road. How many times has some w4nker passed you only for you to catch him up at the next lights / roundabout?
Here's my point. If as we all like to claim, it's just about revenue raising, then let's put the thieving b4st4rds out of business. Don't speed, it's that simple, if it's for no other reason than to deprive them of revenue. Whilst ever they keep collecting millions in fines, they will only grow in numbers. It's a business pure & simple & like any business opportunity, if there's money to be made, someone will. Take away the revenue, business closes, simples Similarly if that business fails to deliver on it's terms & conditions i.e RTOA 1988, don't just accept it, fight for your money as you would with any other business that failed in its obligations, don't make it easy by just rolling over & paying up.

There, I feel better now I'm off for a lie down in a dark room with a cold flannel.

PS Chucking bags of dog sh1t at passing cars is just plain stupid, if the speeding wasn't bad enough, the speeder now has an unkown object flying at his windscreen, lucky he didn't swerve into you & your kids.
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Did Willk do it when the car was moving? Or just smear it on when parked? The former stupid, the latter fine IMHO.
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