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Old 13 June 2012, 13:20   #31
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It's about money - except unlike the Irish Republic they wont ome out and say it. We have a speed trap directly in front a set of lights here in Leicester; what happens? Well the financially aware people slow down through the trap and completely forget the light is red and simply drive through - is this safe clearly not.

The trap is there to slow drivers down or catch them? If devices to slow drivers flashing speed signs or flashing camera signs are ok then the drivers flashing thier lights should be commended or rewarded.

There is a good deal of sense in policing sensible and safe driving and policing speed however the level of hypocricy spouted often at high levels of government is repugnant. A speed trap is essentially a tax on the motorists lack of attention in a small measured section of road even "safe" slower drivers can still get caught. Sadly the deranged loons who cause carnage will always do what they do regardless of any revenue gathering medium.
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I've just got home form a speed awareness course today(36 on a 30) and feel completely differently about this now, funny thing was I got flashed by a BMW on the way and round the corner was a camera van.

You have to ask your self what makes you obey the speed limit, the fear of getting caught and a fine or the fear of killing someone, mine was the fear of being caught but I do feel differently now.

If people are speeding in a community and you warn them to slow down to avoid getting nicked, they then speed through your community and endanger your kids then you have wonder if you did the right thing be flashing them.
Me thinks you have been brainwashed on that course you have been on thomas btw did you have to pay to attend the course
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There is a lay-by near Brighouse and often a camera van in it last year I parked behind it blocking it view whoops
And once had to move a traffic car on with a radar gun as I needed to park where he was.
Now that I like Mick... even though you do drive a Land Rover
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I don't do this - partly because I always thought it was an offence to do so and partly because all the speed limit signs, camera signs are quite obvious and sticking to the speed limit isn't difficult when you are paying attention and concentrating - its not a trick, a deception or other dastardly scheme - the rules are well advertised (unlike some countries where the cops hide behind advertising hoardings, etc.,). The limits are not posted as 40 and drivers fined for driving at 35.

A 100% foolproof way to avoid getting caught speeding is to drive at or below the speed limit. If everyone did this, 'Their' income in fines would be zero. There is, after all, quite a bit of semi-official 'tolerance' by 'Them' on motorways (where risks are lower), though from a pure money-making 'trap' perspective, fining everyone doing more than 77 mph would do the trick.

The down-side about living in a democracy is that you have to abide by the rules set by society - even if you don't agree with them. There is no right to a driving license - it is a privilege - so if you don't agree with the terms either use the bus or try to convince everyone to change the rules. There is scope for your discretion to reduce speed to suit the conditions but not to go above the limit. The signed limit is not the speed that must be driven at.

There is a class of people who drive at 43 mph irrespective of the speed limit, weather, road conditions, pedestrians, etc., and who are blinkin' dangerous; equally, I have taken to reporting the arrogant so-and-sos who overtake me driving at 30 in a 30 limit.

If everyone could be trusted to drive at 'the greater of the maximum safe speed for the conditions or the speed limit', perhaps some speed limits would be raised? After all, 'Their' revenue from fuel duty would then increase.

Its not a 'sport' like a couple of rabbits poached by moonlight from a rich landowner for a starving family where there is some moral/romantic justification in breaking the law - if someone driving at 33 couldn't stop and knocked over your child but would have been able to stop at 29 or 30, how would you feel? Equally, how could you justify (to yourself or in court) being that driver?

Give another two days and the Daily Mail will be ranting about the Police not fining speeding drivers and the outrageous carnage of pedestrian deaths on the UK's roads.

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A speed trap is essentially a tax on the motorists lack of attention in a small measured section of road even "safe" slower drivers can still get caught.
Get nicked, did we? Pay attention or pay a fine...
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You pay a course fee of around 60 instead of the fine and points. It's only or certain speed brackets, too much is an instant fine/points. 36 is the threshold in a 30, any lower and no flash!. Something tells me the flash you got may have got your speed down a little but unfortunately not enough.

We get fined for no TV licence too, is that just another tax ? At the end of the day the police have to use whatever works to get us to slow down. If that's a fine, so be it. if they simply told us off it would make no difference.

Perfect example Luke McCormack. Professional footballer one day. Responsible for 2 x child deaths (caused by excess speed and excess alcohol In this case) the next. It can happen to anybody to takes that risk. Guess its down to each person to balance the risk/consequences.

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Me thinks you have been brainwashed on that course you have been on thomas btw did you have to pay to attend the course
Not at all, I live in a village were people drive far too fast and one day there will be a nasty accident. The course was run by a couple of driving instructors and doesn't teach you anything you don't already know but it does make you think and cost me 80, what annoyed me is i was done on an open road near Bosham and not in a residential area - I'm not going to go off on one about speeding, we all do it but why do they set speed limits on certain areas? must be a reason. I just wish they would put speed traps in places where people drive too fast and it's dangerous rather than places where it's easy to catch people.
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what annoyed me is i was done on an open road near Bosham and not in a residential area - I'm not going to go off on one about speeding, we all do it but why do they set speed limits on certain areas? must be a reason. I
This is exactly why I think it's done just for revenue. I agree with you on the above statement, I drive through Shropshire regularly and the speed traps are always out on the long open roads 50-60 mph limits, but never when coming into a village although there are plenty warning signs of 40 into 30 mph zones, but this is where your local speeders ignore the speed limit because of no traps or cameras
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Not at all, I live in a village were people drive far too fast and one day there will be a nasty accident. The course was run by a couple of driving instructors and doesn't teach you anything you don't already know but it does make you think and cost me 80, what annoyed me is i was done on an open road near Bosham and not in a residential area - I'm not going to go off on one about speeding, we all do it but why do they set speed limits on certain areas? must be a reason. I just wish they would put speed traps in places where people drive too fast and it's dangerous rather than places where it's easy to catch people.
Lots of it is rubbish and utterly farcical. Having put speed cameras (sorry 'safety cameras') on the A24 the traffic bunches up and there is a volume of cars doing 59.9999999 mph but six inches apart -every day. This really makes me nervous.

The best place in Sussex to speed? The westbound A259 approaching Centenary House in Durrington (local Police Headquarters). Once in a blue moon there is a camera there but do 30 and you will be overtaken by lots of vehicles including Police cars.

The roundabout near me is a nightmare. It is fed by a dual carriageway and cars exit the roundabout with their tyres squealing at 60+ as they enter a 30 limit - exactly where children cross the road to get to school. I have asked for a speed trap there but they won't do anything until there is one or more death and the Home Office criteria are met.

To my eternal shame, a car doing 60+ along Rustington seafront (limit 30) once got a bag full of (fairly runny) dog poo on the windscreen from me as I waited to cross the road with my children.

Sussex Police claim to 'tag' 250,000 vehicles a day via their ANPR camera network - wait until they start using these to work out your average speed between points...
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To my eternal shame, a car doing 60+ along Rustington seafront (limit 30) once got a bag full of (fairly runny) dog poo on the windscreen from me as I waited to cross the road with my children.

Sussex Police claim to 'tag' 250,000 vehicles a day via their ANPR camera network - wait until they start using these to work out your average speed between points...
Nice one! You should "bag" a few more!
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