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Old 29 September 2006, 19:17   #11
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I think you should watch these things. Shows everyone how bad some Human's/cultures (if you choose to call them that) can be.

Sick and uncalled for these days!
I haven't heard anyone call for a ban on Canadian products becuase of the seal cubs being clubbed to death - there are plenty of countries that do just as terrible things - sometimes even worse.
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Poor comparison with seal cubs in Canada. . A quick whack on the head is used by many cultures/countries and is humane relatively speaking. Dragging a live Dolfin behind a truck is a whole different matter. Remember that cows, horses, pigs etc. have very small brains. Dolfins have ones that may be larger than yours or mine. Have you watched it yet????
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You can't get any worse than being inhumane though. I appreciate other cultures and there ways, as someting that is perfectly natural to them might upset others. But there is a limit and suffering and crulty sould be outlawed World Wide.

As for Fishermen killing Seals....... Surely good fishing managment would sustain fish stocks and not the killing of 3rd party animals like Seals.
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Remember that cows, horses, pigs etc. have very small brains. Dolfins have ones that may be larger than yours or mine. Have you watched it yet????
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Brain size and intelligence souldn't come into it. Suffering is suffering and crulty is just that. I know where your comming from though!

The killing of Seals though...It's not really nessesary is it? It's only to stop them eating fish (Salmon) stocks, isn't it?
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Brain size and intelligence souldn't come into it. Suffering is suffering and cruelty is just that. I know where your coming from though!

The killing of Seals though...It's not really necessary is it? It's only to stop them eating fish (Salmon) stocks, isn't it?
No, it is not done stop them eating fish. Salmon come back up major unfrozen estuary's to spawn not generally in hard ice/seal areas. Most, maybe 90%, of commercial fishing is done out at sea, primarily Pacific side. Only sports fishing is done in estuary's and rivers and is extremely tightly controlled. Unfortunatley the reason for harvesting baby seals is for their pelts.

I am a hunter and a fisherman and not an extreme green or tree hugger. However, I do believe "eat what you kill" and do it properly.
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I am a hunter and a fisherman and not an extreme green or tree hugger. However, I do believe "eat what you kill" and do it properly.
I'm not a hardened environmentalist (spelling) either! For Seal Pelts! Well that's just as bad!
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mmm... animal brain sizes are commonly referred to in weights in which case a bottle nose dolphin is as you suggest marginally larger than a human brain. http://faculty.washington.edu/chudler/facts.html

but justifying barbaric killing of an animal on the grounds of its brain size is completely bizzare. Look at the link above - that would make killing a new born baby more acceptable than killing a cow! And killing your pet dog or cat more acceptable than a sheep!

I think you have to accept that people, rightly or wrongly, have an emotional attachment to some animals more than others. Generally it is the cute ones, the ones that do tricks or appear to show intelligence etc but it has very little to do with brain size.

If you meant "intelligence" rather than brain size then perhaps you should put the bacon back in the fridge too - as it is generally accepted that pigs are more intelligent than dogs (although what is meant by animal intelligence could probably get a forum of its own!).

I'm not in any way condoning the behaviour in that film. i'm also not a vegy, tree hugger or animal rights activist but what surprises me about this thread is that people seem so disgusted/surprised/aghast at the capabilities of "mankind". Codprawn's comment about clubbing seals was in many ways valid - he finds that disturbing as would many people who are not from "that culture". But perhaps when you look at what people do to other people (Rwanda, Guantanamo Bay, Abu Graibh, Bloody Sunday, 9/11, Holocaust, Beslam, etc * delete as applicable according to your polical persuasion!).

And Limey - you might not think this is the time/place to be PC - but if you use unnecessarily emmotive, offensive or abusive language it won't reinforce your arguments at all.
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It was not Linda,s comments that were edited ,they were mine ,If I have offended anyone then I apologise ,this was not my intention. I understand the need for control /culling but do it humanely. There is no excuse for those methods used.
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I took the liberty and posted this link in all the RIB foroums I know. The result is that there will be protest to all Japan embassies in Germany, Italy, France, and Greece. Also I posted the link on the major Greek scuba forum.

The same link is now featured in one of the largest RIB clubs of Greece OFSE on their 1st web page.

It is completely unecessary this inhumane method whatever the reasons or calture difference etc. This is simply NOT ACCEPTABLE to be happening these days. And this is a statement and NOT in IMHO!!
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