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Old 18 June 2005, 14:54   #41
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Pete why the hell did you buy one if you feel like this???

As to being rusty is is IMPOSSIBLE to know what sort of abuse it was subject to.

Didn't you bother reading what I said about the cockle pickers??? You should have seen the state on their Jap stuff!!!

I once hired a 110 td5 which was 3 years old - the state on it was unbelieveable - far more rust than my 1987 one - really was bad - even the seat runners were rusted into place. WHY??? Because it had been used by the loacal council on beach patrol and someone who had never even heard of DIFFLOCK got it stuck - it was covered by the tide several times before it was recovered!!!

Just remember most fleet vehicles are replaced after 3 years - it is not unusual to see Police - Firebrigade - Coastguard and other utilities using them way past that - they don't do that with their other vehicles!!!!
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Old 18 June 2005, 15:05   #42
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Anyway, seeing as this new heap of sh.t is going to keep breaking down, does anyone know if my boat and trailer would be recovered either here or in Europe under the Land Rover Europe asssistance when it breaks down?

... another one. Read the very small print.... In theory yes.. but in practice you would probbaly have to take legal action..... But according to all these fans.. "they never break down" - Ok the engines go , the boxes go, but naturally they never breakdown....

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Old 18 June 2005, 15:08   #43
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Anyway, seeing as this new heap of sh.t is going to keep breaking down, does anyone know if my boat and trailer would be recovered either here or in Europe under the Land Rover Europe asssistance when it breaks down?

... another one. Read the very small print.... In theory yes.. but in practice you would probbaly have to take legal action..... But according to all these fans.. "they never break down" - Ok the engines go , the boxes go, but naturally they never breakdown....

Jonathan
Well mine haven't - maybe yours kept going because you didn't have a clue about how to look after them????
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Old 18 June 2005, 15:17   #44
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Pete IF you really want to look after it just read my earlier posts!!!! i do say what needs to be done!!!

The paint blisters you are on about are NOT rust - electrolytic corrosion caused by steel and alloy meeting - salt water does NOT help!!! Loads of Waxoyl in the doors etc will help.

Bad rust traps are - Bulkhead - to get into it take light switches out by door hinges and squirt loads of waxoyl in - either warm the can in hot water first or add white spirits to thin it.

Chassis is ok but front outriggers can trap mud - make sure you wash it off the TOP of the outriggers.

What you MUST remember is that people do NOT treat landrover's like normal cars - they dunk them in the sea - they drive them through mud - they use them on farms and building sites - and then don't bother to wash the shit off afterwards!!!

MORE important than rustproofing is to wash them down after use in fresh water - a garden sprinkler underneath works a treat - just leave it run for 30 mins and have a cuppa - easy!!!

The RAF actually have sprinklers spraying across the runway to wash salt off maritime patrol aircraft as they come in to land ...........
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Old 18 June 2005, 15:19   #45
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Would you like -with your vast knowledge base to inform what "ep" stands for?
you have 10 minutes and this is timed to 1950 GMt+1. I do know.

Since there is no rely, I'll have to help out the Cod. Extreme Pressure.
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Old 18 June 2005, 15:41   #46
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Since there is no rely, I'll have to help out the Cod. Extreme Pressure.

Thanks JW-pretty simple question.. I will draw my own conclusions....

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Old 18 June 2005, 16:07   #47
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Codprawn, I dont hate Landrovers I like the cool look of the Defender, and believe they are excellent offroad,

However I also believe that they are ultra unreliable, they rust extensively, without salt water dunkings, are badly engineered, are extremely basic, present with everything as the reviews I posted show

from engine failures, camshafts,doors,radiators,oil leaks, rust, transfeer boxes, gearbox problems.

This unfortunately doesnt apply to the Defenders that are abused, but all of them


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Don't touch the Td5 Engine - mine self destructed at 59 349 miles and 4 years old. Land Rover tell me this is acceptable so I have had to replace the engine (5 000 all in ouch).

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There is a known fault with these Land Rover Defender 110 Td5 engines - if something fails and they overheat then the engine is destroyed - literally. Land Rover do not accept any responsibility for these engines after four years or over 60 000 miles (whichever is the sooner). Not exactly built to last. This vehicle had a FSH


I dont write the reviews, you would think simplicity would make them reliable, it doesent.....
The engineering in Defenders is simply bad, and the last time I saw a news clip about cocklers it seemed they had moved to tractors.


Defenders are popular in the UK because of politics, British Engineering, and were homegrown.
If the Irish built a cheaper and better 4x4 than the Defender, you would still have Uk agencies, SAS etc using Defenders as they are UK born, thats the only reason.

If you want a tow vehicle, it must be not reliable, but bullet proof,

Its not normal to have to put diesel in one place, replacement engine and gear oil somewhere else, and pour Waxol into doors, you couldnt have a cobblelock driveway and have a Defender in it, you just couldnt.

British car engineering is leagues away from Jap engineered stuff, Japanese 4x4s wont let you down ,and as I said earlier Defenders are for enthuasists, guys who have the time, to do the recalls and repairs, the rustproofing, rebuilding, have the time to go on mechanics courses, or gearbox courses, they are flawed tow vehicles.
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Old 18 June 2005, 16:25   #48
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If you want a tow vehicle, it must be not reliable, but bullet proof

I recall that about 5 months ago Jeremy Clarkson and his gang tried to destroy a Toyota diesel pick up. What was it---

- they immersed in the sea
- they set fire to it
- they dropped it from a 100 ft
- they crashed it

But it was still drivable and in fact was driven away at the the end of the program. They could not destroy it. What was it the Taliban used to rout the northern alliance - the toyota pick up with a mounted 27mm mg. Unbeatable. God help the SAS if they come up against the toyota in their rudimentary defenders

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Old 18 June 2005, 17:28   #49
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Old 18 June 2005, 22:45   #50
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If you want a tow vehicle, it must be not reliable, but bullet proof

I recall that about 5 months ago Jeremy Clarkson and his gang tried to destroy a Toyota diesel pick up. What was it---

- they immersed in the sea
- they set fire to it
- they dropped it from a 100 ft
- they crashed it

But it was still drivable and in fact was driven away at the the end of the program. They could not destroy it. What was it the Taliban used to rout the northern alliance - the toyota pick up with a mounted 27mm mg. Unbeatable. God help the SAS if they come up against the toyota in their rudimentary defenders

Jonathan

For God's sake it was tongue in cheek TV entertainment!!! Every day in remote parts of Africa ancient Land Rover's are subjected to plenty of abuse - and they keep going for years!!!

Have a look at these

http://www.teamsaluki.com/

They use an old Land Rover that - compared with the Toyota and Mitsubishi teams they race against - is very much the same as an original vehicle. They have a tiny budget and yet beat far better funded vehicles. The difference is they use their vehicle year after year - the Jap stuff is rebuilt after every race!!!

What annoys me SO much is how people are so quick to slag off British stuff and yet choose to ignore glaring faults with other cars!!!

Land Rover's rust??? Ever seen a 20 year old Toyota, suzuki jeep or isuzu??? FAR WORSE!!!

If landrover's were so bad they would have shit resuiduals and there wouldn't still be 70% of them ever made still running!!!

Even the SCUM at Greenpeace have targetted LandRover now - not Misubishi or Mercedes or BMW but Land Rover!!!
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