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Old 17 June 2005, 22:59   #21
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Gavin WHY do you HATE Landrover's so much???

I suppose all the people who love them - who rely on them for work or even their lives(like the SAS) are ALL wrong???

You say about rusting and you shouldn't need to do that to a new vehicle - didn't you read what I said about the cockle pickers in the Swansea area? Most of them went over to Jap vehicles a few years ago because their Landies were only lasting them a few years - then they discovered the Jap vehicles weren't lasting half as long!!! These people drive every day through horrendous conditions where if a vehicle lets them down they are DEAD!!!! And I am NOT joking - the tide comes in at up to 14mph here - not the place to break down!!!

Still you are obviously SO biased whatever anyone says will make NO difference!!!
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Old 18 June 2005, 03:33   #22
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F......g H...ll I have looked at the reviews, do you think they are real or written by Japs?

I thought I had researched them well, I went through all old threads on here and it seemed there were a lot of supporters. I have looked at the Mitsubishi, the Sport came in at 15,500 or so, but it is a bit dated now (Yes I know the Defender is as well but bear with me) and the Shogun SWB was 22,000 ish. I am not bothered about it being posh as I have a selection of 'posh cars', this is only to use 3 or 4 times a year to tow the boat, perhaps a bit more if I get used to it. My Frontera which I am selling has only done 3k miles a year at most, I just need a bit more grunt which the diesel will give compared to the 2.2 16v petrol.

Boat and trailer is about 2,300kg, Frontera max is 2,600, Defender is 3,500 so a bit spare there. I drove military land rovers all over the world, mainly in the Arctic with studded tyres, so no concerns about what I am buying, also well aware of the lack of right arm space. I notice the military use the wolf engine and not the TD5, seems the electrics can give problems on the TD5.

The main reason for focusing on the Defender 90 was the resale value, I don't know what the hell people see in them but they do hold their value and are the best 4x4 by far or were until I read those reviews . Anyway I read the magazines and the vehicle is now ordered so I will have to wait and see. I cannot believe the price, the car is coming in from Italy, apparently Land Rover sell to countries at different prices depending on their tax, Italy is high in vehicle tax so the importer buys them there tax free, they have been sold to the Italians cheeper so he gets them cheaper, he imports 40 a month so gets a good discount.

I have saved 5,800 all in all that is not to be sniffed at, plus I get 3yrs Land Rover warranty and Europe assistance, I also get a certificate of conformaty. I spoke to my insurance company and the price to insure it is the same price as the Frontera, as it has the conformaty certificate they don't care where it has come from. I have checked the chassis number and it was built in March, then despatched to Italy a few weeks ago, now on it's journey back, daft I know and i wonder how much money is made by the ferry companies and hauliers playing this daft game?

So all in all it will be an occassional tow car and ued for the odd booze cruise Thanks to all for the help, and even those that have well and truly opened my eyes although after I had made the order, sort of a little concerned now but will take it on the chin for rushing

Last thing, I am being told that the bates are the best tow bars and that is what is being fitted, I am VERY concerned about the problem I read on another post here, could I please have the definitive answer to if they 'could' be OK if well looked after, if not what are the other options. The wife caught me with my three land Rover porn mags and my list of extras and gadgets I am choosing to decorate the 'tree' Winch, under floor metal protectors, side bars, light rail, chequered plates, roof rack e.t.c e.t.c. Only jokng, but do people really put 10% of the crap in those adverts on their cars? Most of the adverts were all the same in the three mags, well lesson learnt stick to Land Rover international

So, be straight, is the saving I got pretty good? No UK dealer can come with 3k of it.
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Old 18 June 2005, 05:12   #23
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I think that the FACT is, if you buy a Japanese 4x4 it will be reliable. I think also that the FACT is Land Rover have a very odd mix of quality and strong build let down by some very badly engineered bits.

However another certain FACT is that if you like LRs then you overlook all of the faults and really LOVE them. I have no idea why.

Just take a look at my Land Rover:

At least 23 years old, (it was originaly built in the 70's and in 1982 rebuilt as an ambulance), no power steering, non inertia reel seatbelts, it requires a degree in gymnastics to get into the drivers cab, one speed tiny wipers, a heater that gets as hot as a cold wet night in Snowdon, it is quite lterally as aerodynamic as my garage (I have the pictures to prove it), it is noisy, it does 12 mpg, it is soooo ugly it makes Camilla look like a young supermodel, it has a comfortable cruising speed of just 40 mph, which is fortunate as the brakes seem to have been made for a small pedalcycle, you can not adjust the driver's seat, the horn makes less noise than an ant with laryngitis, the lights have all the power of an exhausted aaa battery, when it rains you get drips of water in the cab, when it's dry you get all sorts of draughts, the gearstick is at such and odd angle that you need to have a unversal joint fitted in your left elbow to change gear. I could go on, but I'm sure you get the point.

However I really LOVE that vehicle. It has that undefinable and unquantifiable thing called 'character'. It is big, the view from the driver's cab is truly panoramic, you can paint it yourself with a brush in a few hours, the body is aluminium, you can NEVER lose it in a car park, on single track roads the other driver always gives way, it still has the two-tone horn fitted, I never listen to the radio when driving it - I have the window open and listen to the growl and roar of that beautiful V8 engine, it was designed to negotiate a 60 degree slope, it has huge ground clearence, it always attracts attention, it looks as if it really means business - which it does, you can drive for months or even years without ever seeing another one...

Now I know that mine is at the extreem end of the spectrum, but the point I think that I'm getting to is that, Land Rovers, you either love 'em or hate 'em and there ain't really no explaining why!

But I must add that up here in the real countryside most of the farmers have them in preference to the Japanese stuff. In Inverness (the nearest city) the urbanites prefer the Jap models. Hmmmmmmm!

Now to prove that my truck is the same shape as my garage just take a look at the attached photograph. And just to prove that the family can enjoy the quirkyness of a Land Rover, here they are as well.

You know I've just realised WHY I like my LR...it's because it reminde me of ME: Big, ugly and awkward!

Keith (gosh I went on a bit there) Hart
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Old 18 June 2005, 05:19   #24
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it is quite lterally as aerodynamic as my garage (I have the pictures to prove it)
I beg to differ. With (what looks like) a sloping roof, the garage is surely more aerodynamic?!
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Old 18 June 2005, 07:36   #25
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Now I know that mine is at the extreem end of the spectrum, but the point I think that I'm getting to is that, Land Rovers, you either love 'em or hate 'em and there ain't really no explaining why!

I think the overall problem is that LR could have vastly improved on the quirks over the years...

LR's as distinct from RR's seem to always be driven by the same "kind" of people. Mainly it seems by extroverts who have to prove to the world that they are extroverts. Does it show a lack of personality? Because when you come down to it..

...exceptonally alcoholic as regards gas
...extremely uncomfortable
...past their sell-by date
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I can just see the posts this is going to create.... so will walk quietly away while still intact...


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Old 18 June 2005, 08:07   #26
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Jonathan,
You stick with your cheap Jap stuff as you like it so much!
As you like your style of car so much you are hardly going to appreciate the finer points of LR!
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Old 18 June 2005, 08:39   #27
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As you like your style of car so much you are hardly going to appreciate the finer points of LR!

Nick - still trying to find them.
With my cheap jappo stuff - incidently its cheap korean stuff- as I know you like the finer point in life BUT

(One Kia Sorento + 2x250 yams HPDI)= one Discovery price wise...

It is extraordinary that the Uk with its fine engineering history, and abundance of creative minds both interlectural, artwise and other( include what you like). HASNT PRODUCE ONE DECENT OUTBOARD OVER 15HP
Mind you just as well... it would probably breakdown on launching.

Yesterday I was filling my beloved Sorento up with LPG at 25p a liter and in pulls a 1910 RR ( Rolls Royce) - with 7.000.000 miles on the clock ( perhaps somebody knows this one - first owner was a Mr. Moor) - You could not hear the engine- so what happened between ? Where has all the prowess gone?
where are all the AJS/NORTONS ect.. Where are all Rileys/Healys/Armstrongs/
where are all the Acons/BBC's. and look at RR now.. Pathetic, owned by a bunch of K***TS and what are we left with??

the one and only bone rattler which was designed in 1946 Brilliant. Dont make me laugh. In fact come to think about it... I can trace my current back problems to when I use to work on my uncles farm in Surrey and was using a swb Landrover with a 2 liter petrol engine to tow trailers...

I bet most of the furniture you sell comes from... that country with a three colour flag?

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I bet most of the furniture you sell comes from... that country with a three colour flag?

Yes You are right on this one, red, white & blue the union jack!
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As I said, you either love 'em or hate 'em.

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LR's as distinct from RR's seem to always be driven by the same "kind" of people. Mainly it seems by extroverts who have to prove to the world that they are extroverts.
I wouldn't say that about the farmers up here who drive them though.

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Firstly Pete NO need to worry about Dixon Bate - standard fit by LR and used by utility companies etc the world over.

Looking back at the posts the problem was NOT the Dixon Bate adjustable hitch - it was with the towball itself. i don't think DB make this type of towball - either it has been retrofitted at some time OR DB have stopped making it - either way you will NOT have a problem!!!

Secondly Italy has always been a good place to buy a LR - they are very popular over there - used especially in the Dolomites to cope with the snow and mountains.

Last year when I went to Spain/France/Andorra/Portugal I couldn't believe how many LR I saw - not just the Spainsh built ones but all sorts - from old Series types to brand new Discoverys and Range Rovers - there were FAR more than Jap vehicles in the mountains - strange how the people who REALLY need them in their lives only buy the best!!!

It sickens me all the people prepared to bash Land Rover based on heresay - remember the Mercedes A class and the ELK test??? The car was downright dangerous - as was the Audi TT - seriously bad design faults that could have killed people - how many people slag them off???

People often base their experience of Land Rover's on really old vehicles - they say they are slow with a harsh ride etc. Landrover got rid of leaf springs in 1983 - Jap and Yank vehicles STILL use them. My 110 is faster and rides/handles better than my mates Warrior - and his has broken down twice!!!
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