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Old 06 December 2012, 13:24   #41
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Of course , if there's anything worse than being held up by a slow cyclist ,it's being backed up behind a human snail !

Some folk try cutting off the shell to make them lighter , but it usually just makes them more ' sluggish '..........

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Anyone thought about the issue of road tax and insurance for the cyclist, if they want to use the roads... Should they pay their way ?.?
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Anyone thought about the issue of road tax and insurance for the cyclist, if they want to use the roads... Should they pay their way ?.?
And horse riders ??
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Old 06 December 2012, 14:29   #44
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Anyone thought about the issue of road tax and insurance for the cyclist, if they want to use the roads... Should they pay their way ?.?
Nobody pays road tax (Churchill abolished it) you pay Vehicle Excise Duty which is calculated based on emissions. Given that bikes have no emissions they would pay zero the same as electric vehicles etc.

As for insurance its hard enough getting car drivers to pay and there are clear enforcement options there.
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More a question of identifying the idiots. Make them all wear a high visibility vests with an individual number on the back that identifies the rider (nominal cost) then form another quango to regulate it & fine transgressors the same as motorists! Problem solved.
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Now I appreciate a decent number of cyclists may be very safe and good riders, also perhaps the demographic (youngish 20-30 year old men maybe?) has a higher proportion of dangerous riders. I don't know, however having walked that route for nearly 5 years I would happily put my hand on my heart and say 80%+ of cyclists ignored red lights and people crossing the road (even when the traffic had already stopped at a zebra crossing for them).
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I have no idea what the police can actually do, given they have no licence as such, but I'd love to see more of this happening
£30 fine if I remember correctly (with the potential for more if it went to court)

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piss in groups by the side of the road where they feel like which is not very nice for the walkers as is against the law.

.... and it's only ever the spandex wearing road cyclists, I have never seen anyone on a mountain bike being a pain.
They are just upsetting other people somewhere else. It seems anyone who does something we don't is at risk of

[QUOTE=GordyP;503686]Perhaps if cyclists had to show a registration a lot of the issues of jumping red lights etc would diminish. [quote] not really, there needs to be someone to catch them. How often do cars nip through on amber or "just red" and not get caught with plates on, and even more often they sit in the Advanced Stop Box, and I frequently see that with a police car behind (indeed i've even seen a police car do it) with no action...

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And if cyclists choose to "try their chances on the road" then they should obey traffic lights, not use pavements, have proper lights,
thats already the law... you should get on to your newly appointed PCC and ask him what he's doing about it.
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get insured and pass a test.
As a very wild guess I'd speculate that more than 50% of cyclists already hold a car/bike license so knowing the rules is probably not a factor; certainly many people of my generation will also have sat some bike training and a test (Cycling Proficiency) and many will continue to do so today (its now called something like Bikeability). I'd also guess that the majority of cyclists actually have 3rd party liability cover through their home insurance although many may not be aware of it. However unless you have real evidence that lack of skill or insurance from cyclists on our roads is the fundamental problem I doubt you'll see legislation for it.

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Errr just like you have to do in a car at every junction on the real road?
no if you are on the main road you don't stop for every side street. On many cycle paths / lanes the lane breaks for every minor road or driveway - which actually makes them impossible to use. However my major issue with them is nobody ever seems to sweep them, or repair them, so you are riding in crap and potholes.

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Like I said, this network diverts you neatly under most of them..... Infinitely more likely to have to stop in a car on the roundabout above!
there are some places where it is like this but the majority of cycleways / lanes are badly executed.
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Those are because the bikes and the pedestrians go at the same time - it's to protect the pedestrians, in much the same way as youre not supposed to cycle on the pavement.....
there are some places where bikes and pedestrians mix perfectly well. Indeed there are many relatively rural roads with few people where making the pavement a mixed use bike/pedestrian route would be wise.
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I can't see what the problem is myself, there was some quite terrible driving in that video.
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I can't see what the problem is myself, there was some quite terrible driving in that video.
OOOh you are awful...

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maybe this is about road users getting increasingly fed up with the roads getting and busier, and many road users giving little or no consideration to others? and venting there anger at other users?

cyclists/horses/caravans/white vans/motorbikes the list grows
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It's down to attitude really, "White Van" drivers don't give a toss and as a result people hate them on the roads.
Ditto "Black Cabs".......tossers the lot of them.
As for the self proclaimed "Knights Of The Road" truckers, screw the lot of them.
Cyclists with a "Me-better-than-you" attitude will not benefit the whole cycle movement. Same as the rowers that yell at you for your imperceptible wake.
So, back to the original question..........."cyclists, a nuisance or not?"

Best summed up by "Malcolm Tucker" he of "The Thick Of It",

"Even cyclists hate cyclists!"
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