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Old 04 February 2008, 06:45   #21
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You are missing the point entirely which is what annoys me so much about NCAP. A 5 star in a small car is not the same as even a 2 star in a big one.

The test is a car being slammed into a concrete barrier. Mass plays a huge part. That's why the Smart car does so well. As you said the Defender has bugger all in the way of crumple zones so does very badly.

Not many accidents are into concrete barrier though - most involve one car hitting another. The Defender may not have crumple zones of it's own but it uses the other car as a giant crumple zone.

I have read of so many accidents where a Land Rover is in collision with a normal car - often the people in the LR have minor injuries whilst all the people in the other car are killed.

I saw an Army Land Rover go into the back of a Pug 306 at about 25mph. The Land Rover literally only had a dented bumper. If there had been anyone on the back seat of the Pug they would have been killed.
OK so you are all right in a defender as long as you hit something soft! If you hit anther defender,HGV or a tree your buggered!

I was only using my experience of a small car looking after me very well when some git in a largish 4 X 4 taking me out (I drive a D3 so I have nothing against 4X4 !) We managed to push his rear axle about 2' through his car & any one in the back seat would have been squashed!
From the photo you can see our car did its job well the engine went under our feet the front crumpled tacking energy away from us & in side the area you sit in was not effected!

One big + for the Defender is it is so slow at least you will not be going too fast when you do hit something!
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Old 04 February 2008, 07:35   #22
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NCAP is not simply a concrete block. It has some sort of crumple zone on the block - and the frontal collision is offset to one side (as that is actually more common and presumably higher risk).

It is fairly logical that a higher mass vehicle will stand a better chance in a collision with a lower mass vehicle. However - since anyone using an NCAP rating in a purchasing decision is likely to be considering vehicles in a similar class it is irrelevant.

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The Defender may not have crumple zones of it's own but it uses the other car as a giant crumple zone.

I have read of so many accidents where a Land Rover is in collision with a normal car - often the people in the LR have minor injuries whilst all the people in the other car are killed.

I saw an Army Land Rover go into the back of a Pug 306 at about 25mph. The Land Rover literally only had a dented bumper. If there had been anyone on the back seat of the Pug they would have been killed.
Now given that these "small" cars on the road have gone to fairly significant lengths to protect their occupants I find your "I own a defender so I am safe" worrying. I realise you are a perfect driver and will never cause an accident. However I suspect no one kills someone else on the road (even if not their fault) and just shrugs their shoulders saying "they should have bought a better car".

NCAP is reviewed regularly in comparison to real crash data - and the general observation (e.g. google found this) seems to be that higher NCAP rating = lower chance of fatality or serious injury.
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Well done James, I would love a Defender but unfortunatly I couldn't use one every day. I enjoy my driving to much and wouldn't want to be without my hot hatch. It will shortly be joined by an old tax except Landrover Series 3 though for general summer fun, offroading and towing the rib. I can't put a tow bar on my daily driver as it has twin centre exit exhausts.
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I know what you mean ADS but a defender for me is very practical also the insurance makes having a car possible. I did think about a series 3 myself but when i realized it would take me a long time to drive to the coast in one i scrapped that idea. Extremely cheap to insure though.

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Its not a "Smart" is it?

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I know what you mean ADS but a defender for me is very practical also the insurance makes having a car possible. I did think about a series 3 myself but when i realized it would take me a long time to drive to the coast in one i scrapped that idea. Extremely cheap to insure though.

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The Defender sounds ideal for you. Yeah the Series 3's are very slow and uneconomical, I couldn't believe the insurance though I thought it was monthly and it turned out that was the annual premium!


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Thankfully not. Its a Volkswagen Lupo Gti, they are quite rare you've probably never seen one!
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For cheap Landy insurance try Firebond if it's over 10yrs old - insure it as a classic. if not then the NFU are very cheap and you don't need to be a farmer!!!
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Jelous Jelous Jelous!!

Wish I had a Landy!!

Anyway well done, next test, your Trailer one. Still on the cards for me!!
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For cheap Landy insurance try Firebond if it's over 10yrs old - insure it as a classic. if not then the NFU are very cheap and you don't need to be a farmer!!!
With the NFU at the moment codprawn very good insurance company.

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Jelous Jelous Jelous!!

Wish I had a Landy!!

Anyway well done, next test, your Trailer one. Still on the cards for me!!
Yep trailer test next. Hopefully getting that done asap.

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