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Old 21 March 2008, 17:55   #31
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thats my point mate , where does it all go ?,with a population of half a million and all that money coming in why are we subsidising the costs . Clearly very little of that money actually finds its way back .

as for roads where else in the country is there a 2 lane motorway serving such a small area and population .

But if I look at my annual accounts a big chunk goes to local business's, suppliers, tradesmen etc. They all had new kitchens fitted last year!
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I assume your on wifi in a harbour somewhere?
Have you had a look outside tonight
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Old 21 March 2008, 18:30   #33
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But if I look at my annual accounts a big chunk goes to local business's, suppliers, tradesmen etc. They all had new kitchens fitted last year!
they should have had one of mine , then they wouldn't keep needing new ones .

Hey iam not knocking you mate iam not saying you or other busineses should pay a tourist tax . many of the decent tourist busineses are struggling
Iam just questioning where is all that "prosperity they report from tourism going . there is little sign of it outside of the main holiday towns like Newquay.
Some small gestures for local people would be good , like free parking at the beach and charge the tourists a slightly higher fee . maybe a high rate for crossing the tamar bridge , with the proceeds taking the load of some local water rates etc .
Iam sure the Welsh and people in other areas with a large influx of tourists feel the same .
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Local 'tourism' seems to have attracted a much wealthier group of people in recent years. The days when people came down and stayed in 20 tents and ate beans on toast seem to have disappeared. Guest Houses, Self-catering cottages, restaurants, etc. in West Wales all seem to be doing a lot better out of tourism than they were say 5-10 years ago. Local businesses are clearly pleased to see tourists spending more cash, but the season is short and very dependent on the weather, which can have a huge impact on turnover for some.
I think tourists would in general be displeased with local concessions, as they're predominantly British people and would not want to be 'penalised' for taking a holiday in their own country. Enforcing such concessions can also be costly.
Maybe 10 years ago, when the industry generated less income, I'd have had a different view on it. It's recognised that tourism is on the increase in West Wales - perhaps in Cornwall, the industry has been more stable over a longer period of time?
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Old 22 March 2008, 19:53   #35
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Local 'tourism' seems to have attracted a much wealthier group of people in recent years. The days when people came down and stayed in 20 tents and ate beans on toast seem to have disappeared.
So if tourists are wealthier in general they can afford to pay. The fact that they are wealthier makes it even more unfair for the relatively poor locals to be paying towards their holiday .

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Guest Houses, Self-catering cottages, restaurants, etc. in West Wales all seem to be doing a lot better out of tourism than they were say 5-10 years ago. Local businesses are clearly pleased to see tourists spending more cash,
And they also charge inflated prices while earnings for the rest of us are lower in comparison than the places the wealthy tourists come from. Locals also tend to suffer from the inflated tourist prices if they want to get out and enjoy the nice places .

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but the season is short and very dependent on the weather, which can have a huge impact on turnover for some
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The season seems to get longer and starts earlier every year and faster roads have encouraged more weekend trippers. but yes poor weather can effect some businesses badly,but thats the chance you take when you start a business .

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I think tourists would in general be displeased with local concessions, as they're predominantly British people and would not want to be 'penalised' for taking a holiday in their own country.
Nobody wants to pay more than they have to but the locals paying higher living costs are also British . i certainly wouldn't object to paying 5 or 10 when I go to Wales Or Scotland etc on holiday. A small charge like that would take the load of the charges both the businesses and locals pay .

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no need to be , simply charge on the toll bridge in many places

[QUOTE]Maybe 10 years ago, when the industry generated less income, I'd have had a different view on it. It's recognised that tourism is on the increase in West Wales - perhaps in Cornwall, the industry has been more stable over a longer period of time? [/QUOTE

exactly its on the increase and costing more for local services and recources to support the increasing numbers.
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Old 22 March 2008, 22:00   #36
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So if tourists are wealthier in general they can afford to pay. The fact that they are wealthier makes it even more unfair for the relatively poor locals to be paying towards their holiday .
Yes, but affordability aside, tourists will weigh up the financial costs of holidaying, against the return they get on that investment. While local tourist taxes may be acceptable to some, the principle would certainly offend many others. There are very few taxes which gain unanimous support.
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And they also charge inflated prices while earnings for the rest of us are lower in comparison than the places the wealthy tourists come from. Locals also tend to suffer from the inflated tourist prices if they want to get out and enjoy the nice places .
'Inflated' perhaps, but the market determines what price is acceptable and both locals and tourists make up that marketplace. We see locals 'voting with their feet' in many tourist hotspots, which is unfortunate, but a real consequence of tourism, which frankly is unavoidable.
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The season seems to get longer and starts earlier every year and faster roads have encouraged more weekend trippers. but yes poor weather can effect some businesses badly,but thats the chance you take when you start a business.
It always tends to be Easter - August Bank holiday: 5 months from start to end, but aside from Bank holday weekends in Spring, the real business is only made in the 6 week school holiday period. I went to Saundersfoot last weekend and it was dead, today, it was crammed full. Luckily the weather was ok.
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Nobody wants to pay more than they have to but the locals paying higher living costs are also British . i certainly wouldn't object to paying 5 or 10 when I go to Wales Or Scotland etc on holiday. A small charge like that would take the load of the charges both the businesses and locals pay.
But if tourists were charged this 5-10 fee, do you really think local charges would fall as a consequence?
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no need to be , simply charge on the toll bridge in many places
Tollbridge attendant: 'Are you local? You don't sound local - that will be 10.00 please'
......and our friends in the North would struggle 'cos there's no toll bridge.
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exactly its on the increase and costing more for local services and recources to support the increasing numbers.
More revenue/income for local economy too

We really must continue this debate down the pub Parkesy
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We really must continue this debate down the pub Parkesy [/QUOTE]

That would be good .

Its a difficult subject that was debated on local radio a while back . No one could really work out why local income and poverty was so poor with reports of the massive income from tourism .
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