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Old 26 February 2006, 06:08   #31
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Here you go.. (its not that garbled..)

"as I don't pay for the diesel I use, people like you do.."

Just for the record, my Avon has a Yamaha petrol outboard, which as far as I know, won't run on diesel..

And just for you donuts, some V simple pieces of posting advice..

1. Read the post properly, (maybe get a dictionary for the long words.)
2. Answer the post based on the posts relevant information.
3. Don't answer the post based on things you don't understand.

Any help?
Thanks Tony, thats super. I'll invest in a dictionary for long words, wont disagree with anybody on this forum and refrain from posting on a subject that is so complex I clearly could never comprehend it as well as you.
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Old 26 February 2006, 06:41   #32
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I was just trying to make the point that we shouldnt be in a position where we need to consider alternative means of transport because of the governments tax policy.
Why not?

Surely the purpose of tax policy is
  1. to raise money
  2. to encourage more effective use of the resources we have (or penalise those of us, like everyone (?) here, who chooses to waste/consume that resource for their own pleasure).
There can be no denying that three of the major issues facing the world today and in the net 20 years are intimately related to oil:
  • the middle east situation
  • climate change
  • availability of affordable energy.
I'm not some tree hugging greenpeace member - but I don't see why high taxation on fuel is fundamentally wrong as it must discourage waste/make people consider fuel ecconomy/penalise those of us who are using fuel for pleasure. I'm not suggesting that the current government or opposition have necessarily got the balance right with where the revenue earned goes and I do believe there is a greater need for investment in public transport. But I think we all need to be aware of the impact of our fuel usage on the world (polically, ecconomically and environmentally) and I think the only real way to do that is through taxation.
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Old 26 February 2006, 06:57   #33
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good points polwart...I believe the govts approach to fuel taxation isnt motivated by any of those factors and see it as their way of getting easy cash from people with few alternatives.
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Why not?

I'm not some tree hugging greenpeace member - but I don't see why high taxation on fuel is fundamentally wrong as it must discourage waste/make people consider fuel ecconomy/penalise those of us who are using fuel for pleasure.

Problem is, the great majority of low-paid workers (ie the people who actually keep the country RUNNING-stacking shelves, packing stuff in warehouses etc) are stuck to fixed shift patterns where public transport isn't an option as it simply isn't economically OR environmentally viable so they HAVE to use some form of personal fuel-burning vehicle just to get to work at all.

For example, to get to any of the major industrial estates aound here then you have to either
1)Live directly on the primary bus route or
2) Take an hour and a half to travel under 5 miles as the crow flies, while actually travelling 10 miles via the main bus terminal and waiting in the freezing cold/dodging used needles and alkies etc etc.

If you're doing 6-2, 2-10 or 10-6 shifts then forget about it-no public transport at ALL at 4.30am, not enough to get you home at 10pm as it all stops at 11pm... and it's neither financially or ecologically viable to take 5 people in a bus that does LESS than 10mpg...let alone safe for the poor bastard that has to drive the bus and pull into the bus station at 11pm with a bag of cash.

All this touting of public transport as the solution to all our ecological problems if we simply throw enough money at it is idealistic bullshit and a dangerous tool that the government uses to sting all of us. Unfortunately the ones that really do get stung the worst are the poor sods that really don't have any options and without them the entire country would fall apart.

Lets face it, you can't build a house without the foundations.
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good points polwart...I believe the govts approach to fuel taxation isnt motivated by any of those factors and see it as their way of getting easy cash from people with few alternatives.
Agreed.
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Not having a go at you DGR - just so pissed off every time I put fuel in the tank!!!
I didn't think you were having a go - and I'm quite thick skinned anyway (or is that thick headed?...I'll ask the wife...)



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good points polwart...I believe the govts approach to fuel taxation isnt motivated by any of those factors and see it as their way of getting easy cash from people with few alternatives.
Gotta agree with that.. If they invested 1/10th of the revenue raised by the motorist on public transport, we could all be provided with personal jet packs..
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Why not?

[/list]There can be no denying that three of the major issues facing the world today and in the net 20 years are intimately related to oil:
  • the middle east situation
  • climate change
  • availability of affordable energy.
I'm not some tree hugging greenpeace member - but I don't see why high taxation on fuel is fundamentally wrong as it must discourage waste/make people consider fuel ecconomy/penalise those of us who are using fuel for pleasure. I'm not suggesting that the current government or opposition have necessarily got the balance right with where the revenue earned goes and I do believe there is a greater need for investment in public transport. But I think we all need to be aware of the impact of our fuel usage on the world (polically, ecconomically and environmentally) and I think the only real way to do that is through taxation.
Just before the Iraq fiasco and the hunt for the so called WMD the oil price had collapsed - $14 a barrel - now it's $60 - says it all really!!!
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As for being either stupid/ignorant or apathetic, fortunately I don't fit into any of those three categories, as I don't pay for the diesel I use, people like you do..

Please explain the not paying for fuel comment do you steal it?
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