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Old 28 August 2008, 15:57   #1
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Brits living in the US beware

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wa...1466-21501187/

Just read this and was horrified.

Basically anyone who has been charged with even a very minor crime in the US can be deported at any time.

A Welsh bloke who moved to the US when he was 15 has just been deported for a crime he committed when he was 17 - firing a gun into an empty swimming pool - he was fined at the time. Twenty years later they arrested him and held him in jail before kicking him out - he has lost his business and everything else!!!

One poor 82 yr old French man had been living in the US for most of his life - he committed a very minor crime many years agao and they chucked him in jail for 7 months and then sent him back to France - where he had nothing.

The law is called the Ira Ira - seriously!!!
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IRA IRA is a double TLA. It never ceases to amaze me that despite holding nothing but contempt for the US, so many people are shocked when they won't let our citizens in/stay! The Irish in particular can think of no reason why we aren't simply given keys to the back door, but feel that there might be too many Mexicans about the place!

One thing all these victims have in common, is that if they had taken out Citizenship of their chosen land, they'd still be there. And least we get too worked up in self righteous frenzy:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/s...al/6756341.stm
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That is just as bad!!!

This is NOT an attack on the US - I hate this sort of unfairness no matter who does it..............

This is just another example of where common sense has totally gone out of the window. Give them a new law and they WILL abuse it!!!
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This is NOT an attack on the US - I hate this sort of unfairness no matter who does it..............
Sorry, I meant people generally, didn't mean to suggest you were...

and common sense will have to be renamed - it's a bit scarce!
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Does seem a bit unfair, I'd have thought the death penalty would be better than being deported to Wales!
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Does seem a bit unfair, I'd have thought the death penalty would be better than being deported to Wales!
dammit, there should be a death penalty for making me spill my beer while LOL.
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While I'm not condoning the whole deportation thing, I had to do an essay on this kind of thing for My International Relations part of my degree and in Britain, you could pretty much be yanked off the street and deported for trial, which could be delayed (e.g. guantanamo bay) and you could be held indefinatley.
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Yes like the poor British hacker.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7585861.stm

The USA can extradite anyone they like from the UK but we can't do it the other way around - NOT the fault of the US but our Government!!!

The Nat West 3 were another classic example!!!
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Yes like the poor British hacker.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7585861.stm

The USA can extradite anyone they like from the UK but we can't do it the other way around - NOT the fault of the US but our Government!!!

The Nat West 3 were another classic example!!!

Should he get 60 years in the can for that ? or do you think they ought to put him to good use showing how crap their network defences are
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Should he get 60 years in the can for that ? or do you think they ought to put him to good use showing how crap their network defences are
I am a bit surprised that our security services couldn't find a role for him in return for not allowing his extradition? on the other hand he didn't do it by accident - surely anyone would realise that hacking the US government was likely to land you in the sh!t, one way or another.
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