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Old 18 December 2007, 06:11   #11
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Hmm. I wonder how many people will get stopped and searched for being in the wrong place? For example I can't look out of the window to see if the forecast is roughly right so a planned jaunt across the channel is quite likely to turn into a pie and a pint in the Folly.

With 4 hours a day being spent trailering I'm not formfilling at 5am before I leave here.I'd have to do it the day before.
Exactly. And what provision is being made for that data to be available, in real time, to cutters / teams at sea?

It's more big brother crap. Just as road pricing will mean us all having to have tags in cars linked to a big surveillance network, I can see this being the thin end of the wedge. Stage 1 - fill in an online form. Stage 2 - Govt claims scheme isn't effective and requires AIS on all craft. Stage 3 - Massive recruitment drive of more civil servants to enforce scheme. Stage 4 - Billing boaters per mile travelled to help "conserve the environment".

Then of course it can all be linked to an EU database...
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Then of course it can all be linked to an EU database...
If the UK had properly embraced it's position as part of the EU and signed up to the Schengen Convention then we wouldn't be presented with these new hoops to jump through.

I got a reply from from the "e-Borders Comms Team". The news isn't good:

"To comply with e-Borders requirements, pleasure craft on international voyages will be required to provide through a web application, a web form or electronic file upload of specified information on crew and passengers including Travel Document Information and Service Information in advance of departure on outbound and inbound voyages."

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Old 18 December 2007, 10:16   #13
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I got a reply from from the "e-Borders Comms Team". The news isn't good:

"To comply with e-Borders requirements, pleasure craft on international voyages will be required to provide through a web application, a web form or electronic file upload of specified information on crew and passengers including Travel Document Information and Service Information in advance of departure on outbound and inbound voyages."

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But isn't this compromising the right to unhindered travel within the EU for member states?

And what's the definition of "international travel"? Landing at a foreign shore, or entering foreign territorial waters?

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If the UK had properly embraced it's position as part of the EU and signed up to the Schengen Convention then we wouldn't be presented with these new hoops to jump through.
Or if we stuck two fingers up to the whole European super(nanny) state.
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Time we got rid of our "cabal of sleazy joyless puritans" and Mr Bean.

Anyone for mass disobedience? It makes a point very well.
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Time we got rid of our "cabal of sleazy joyless puritans" and Mr Bean.

Anyone for mass disobedience? It makes a point very well.
Having filled up with diesel this morning, I'd happily join a proper fuel protest (like the Italians just did) - that amongst many protests!

Maybe we could get the tipper drivers to lead it
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But isn't this compromising the right to unhindered travel within the EU for member states?
Apparently not. It's down to the UK opting out of the Schengen Agreement again. More details on the European Commission web site.
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And what's the definition of "international travel"? Landing at a foreign shore, or entering foreign territorial waters?
An interesting question!

I tried to have another look at the e-Borders web site, but the Border & Immigration Agency seems to have taken it down. I feel another email coming on.

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Time we got rid of our "cabal of sleazy joyless puritans" and Mr Bean.

Anyone for mass disobedience? It makes a point very well.

Iam all for it , the french do it well . It just seems that the average brit just accepts all the sh1t they throw at us and just moans more but does nothing.
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