>>> but I wouldn't put something like that on a 1st car, or the moment the driver gets it wrong in one without ESP, they're screwed.
>>>Couldn't agree more. There's a whole generation who just cant drive properly because modern cars are too forgiving.
Can't agree with that at all. I'm glad my daughter doesn't have to start with something like my Triumph Herald with 5.20 remould crossplys. I survived a nasty spin and contact with a wall down a notorious hill in the Cotswolds many years ago but it doesn't mean I want her to experience that.
This time she may well not get stability control but if two otherwise equal used cars were available, one with, I'd happily pay a premium for the car with.