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Old 07 June 2014, 05:36   #21
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First car for a youngster? Trust me get one with ESP/DSC (Stability control) available on many cars from the mid 2000's. I work in the industry testing, developing & demonstrating the systems, trust me on this one.
I don't disagree with you that ESP works, but I wouldn't put something like that on a 1st car, or the moment the driver gets it wrong in one without ESP, they're screwed.
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Old 07 June 2014, 05:44   #22
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Another vote for Fabia/ibiza. I exclude Polo only because it tends to be more expensive due to badge snobbery.

Personally I'd steer clear of Clio as wife & daughter have had 3 between them, all of which went on to suffer with significant electrical systems problems.

Interesting to hear that as ive read many reviews saying clios have that fault. Corsa's seem to be very reliable but for around 1300 they have 70,000 miles on plus, just not sure


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Old 07 June 2014, 05:57   #23
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Not a bad interior on the zr either for 1100 car! Surely they can't of gone out of business for their built quality

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Old 07 June 2014, 06:44   #24
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Not a bad interior on the zr either for 1100 car! Surely they can't of gone out of business for their built quality

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Seriously, glad you got a good one, but most were shocking. My dad actually bought a 75 as a retirement present to himself in 2001, its still going strong now. Its just a shame the analogue TV hasn't worked since they shut the signals off,the heated seats are wasted in Spain where he lives, but at least the electric blinds keep the sun out.
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Old 07 June 2014, 08:25   #25
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I don't disagree with you that ESP works, but I wouldn't put something like that on a 1st car, or the moment the driver gets it wrong in one without ESP, they're screwed.
Couldn't agree more. Theres a whole generation who just cant drive properly because modern cars are too forgiving. I suppose it doesn't matter if the never drive anything else though.

As for captain sideways comment about Corsas being the worst handling cars ever, well all I can say is try a Dacia Duster.
The Corsas I have driven may not offer the best traction or neutral handling or the best fuel efficiency, but that doesn't make them a crap car.
the economy is good and they're reliable, and they're cheap. The handling on all the ones I have driven is above all safe, they always Under-steer which I think in the hands of an inexperienced driver is the best setup.
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We've just finished rebuilding this for my 17yr old.

It's a 2001 1.4 Seat Ibiza S.

Purchased for next to nothing we've been all round it with new brakes, 2 tyres, small bits and pieces, and dropped a replacement engine in from a VW Polo.

MOT'd(straight through) and taxed it this week, just needs to pass his test now

Total cost all in including the MOT is still under 600 plus probably 30hrs work by each of us.

Insurance quote is 1040 Fully comp for after he's passed his test. That is with a Black box, but one that doesn't record excess speed just acceleration and braking.

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Old 07 June 2014, 09:44   #27
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Old 07 June 2014, 15:26   #28
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Insurance quote is 1040 Fully comp for after he's passed his test. That is with a Black box, but one that doesn't record excess speed just acceleration and braking.

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Ye gods! its really expensive as a new driver! Just renewed my insurance for the land-rover, 85 fully comp including a 30% loading for modifications.
I know someone who has just passed their test and they pay more than that a month there are some advantages to being an old git
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We've just finished rebuilding this for my 17yr old.

It's a 2001 1.4 Seat Ibiza S.

Purchased for next to nothing we've been all round it with new brakes, 2 tyres, small bits and pieces, and dropped a replacement engine in from a VW Polo.

MOT'd(straight through) and taxed it this week, just needs to pass his test now

Total cost all in including the MOT is still under 600 plus probably 30hrs work by each of us.

Insurance quote is 1040 Fully comp for after he's passed his test. That is with a Black box, but one that doesn't record excess speed just acceleration and braking.

Nasher.

Thats a seriously cheap quote, 1.2 Clio for my new driving 18 year old daughter, 2200.

I have got to move to a cheaper postcode.
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