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Old 28 November 2005, 14:21   #11
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I don't care

What you say, I still hate Automatics.....Whilst we are on the subject I am not too fond of electronics in a gearbox either. I see it as a point of failure!
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What you say, I still hate Automatics.....Whilst we are on the subject I am not too fond of electronics in a gearbox either. I see it as a point of failure!
Yeah - and synchromesh is for wimps...
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Old 29 November 2005, 05:38   #13
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Yeah - and synchromesh is for wimps...
And so are gear levers - you should get in there and move the cogs around by hand...
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We haven't had snow here yet, but the winter before last we had our 1 days worth.

It just happened to coincide with my daughters inset day at school, so we went sledging on Butser Hill. I took my RR Classic 3.9 Auto (pre ABS) with Michelin M+Ss.

It had rained, frozen and then snowed. There was about 2" snow on the road, with sheet ice under it.
We had to stop on a steepish bit as someone was trying to park. Pulling away was difficult but would have been much harder with a manual.
Being a a lazy git, I tried to get as far up the hill as possible. The single lane track at the top has gert great lumps of wood along the side to stop people driving on the grass. There was a 2-3' deep drift across the track at the gate into the top car park, which even I would not attempt, so I had to reverse 200 yards back to a turning point. As there is less than zero engine braking in reverse with an auto, I had to lock the thing into 1 and let it roll.
There were horrible noises from the transmission and drive train but we got back down in full control.

So, in my experiance auto is great for going up hill, and crap for going down in reverse.
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So, in my experiance auto is great for going up hill, and crap for going down in reverse.

Also pretty crap at going downhill forwards butfor going uphill o r creeping over boulders etc it's great!!!
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mmmmmm but autos are great in adverse conditions where there is a 20 mile queue of traffic going into cornwall and you are stop starting.....then i absolutely love autos especially with the caravan on the back

have a down hill button for my auto but so rarely come across conditions where downhill on ice is an issue. But if i did then i know i would prefer a manual.

so for me for 99.999999% of the time autos are super
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mmmmmm but autos are great in adverse conditions where there is a 20 mile queue of traffic going into cornwall and you are stop starting.......:
No... manual in low ratio 1st gear on tickover... then watch in your mirror at the poor bastard behind having to stop-start/slip his clutch... what the hell? It passes the time in a traffic jam
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No... manual in low ratio 1st gear on tickover... then watch in your mirror at the poor bastard behind having to stop-start/slip his clutch... what the hell? It passes the time in a traffic jam
love it but the auto is one better in that it will creep along without the jerkyness of low ratio and all you have to do is cover the brake whereas on a manual you have to cover clutch and brake.

i know where you are coming from ah ha, similar sense of humour i guess
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Also pretty crap at going downhill forwards

I know, the lack of engine braking in an auto is a real pain.


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then i absolutely love autos especially with the caravan on the back
Caravan, youv'e got a *&"@~#ing CARAVAN. There would not be 20 mile jam on the outskirts of Cornwall if there were no caravans.
Ever fancied taking it to Dunsfold so Top Gear can play with it?
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love it but the auto is one better in that it will creep along without the jerkyness of low ratio and all you have to do is cover the brake whereas on a manual you have to cover clutch and brake.

i know where you are coming from ah ha, similar sense of humour i guess

Have you any idea just how slowly a Land Rover will creep along in low range 1st? It really is amazing!!!

Yes I often like driving up steep hills in very low ratios!!!

Has anyone ever noticed the fact that almost any diesel powered vehicle will go up any hill on tickover without stalling? And I am NOT on about the latest fly by wire things either. The trick is to get the vehicle moving on tickover before the hill - then it will haul it's way up without touching the throttle.
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