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Old 14 June 2007, 11:19   #11
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Asbestos is a class 1 carcinogen - as are many other products we use every day.

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I'm a gonner!! The only one of those that I've not been exposed to in large amounts is fag smoke. I was a materials technician in a quarry (Bitmac production) for the first 8 years of my working life and then ran a surfacing company for pretty much the rest of it. Heck. Had gobfulls of petrol through syphoning it into boats etc. Blimey
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So now you're an expert on Asbestos?
What you have just suggested is dangerous and stupid.
The risk from Asbestos overated? "THE MUCH SAFER VERSION?"
Never heard so much cr*p.
Asbestos kills.FULL STOP.

When you talk about the "safer version" I'm guessing your thinking of crysotile (white asbestos). Most commonly used type of asbestos and can be found in artex (together with Amosite or brown asbestos), asbestos insullating board and asbestos cemment based products such as roofing sheets.
The import and use of crysotile was BANNED in the UK in 1999 because of the cancers it can cause, non of which can be cured. The gestation periods for these cancers can be as little as 10 years or as long as 65 years.

If I had artex in my house I would either have a licenced asbestos contractor come in and remove it under controlled conditions (safe but very expensive) or i'd coat it in water / PVA mix and have it skimmed over with a caltite plaster (safe but cheaper!)

Up to you if you want to take Codprawn's advice Tim but personally I wouldn't have the risk of airbourne asbestod fibres in my house or around my family.

No I just don't listen to scaremongering - much of it generated by people who have made a fortune in asbestos removal.

Saying asbestos kills FULL STOP is like saying drinking booze or smoking fags kills FULL STOP......

Asbestos was banned from car brake pads on safety grounds - how many old mechanics do you actually KNOW who have died from asbestos???

I remember allowing mercury to run around in my hand - no wonder it's called quicksilver. These days they wear full white suits and breathing apparatus to handle it!!!
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No I just don't listen to scaremongering - much of it generated by people who have made a fortune in asbestos removal.

Saying asbestos kills FULL STOP is like saying drinking booze or smoking fags kills FULL STOP......

Asbestos was banned from car brake pads on safety grounds - how many old mechanics do you actually KNOW who have died from asbestos???

I remember allowing mercury to run around in my hand - no wonder it's called quicksilver. These days they wear full white suits and breathing apparatus to handle it!!!
Ignorance in the past is not an excuse to leave people exposed to risks to their health now.

Ferodo made the first brake linings with asbestos content in 1896. The ban on the import and use of blue (crocidolite) and brown (amosite) asbestos in 1985 removed that risk forever.

Of the nearly 4000 people that died in this country last year of lung cancer and diseases like mesothelioma I would say that a proportion of them were garage mechanics who were exposed in the workplace.

Oh and by the way, the youngest person ever recorded to have died of an asbestos related disease died in October last year. He was 36. It was thought that he contracted mesothelioma from the blue asbestos fibres that stuck to his dads overalls that he wore home from the garage he worked in.

Codders I'm not going to have an argument with you as to the risks related to exposure to asbestos because they've all been had before by people who know a damn sight more about it. Thats why we have legislation in place like the Control of Asbestos Regulations 2006. They are put in place to protect workers in this country from the risk of exposure to asbestos fibres.

If you want to know the real story rather than your misguided "opinions" go here - www.hse.gov.uk/asbestos/
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No I just don't listen to scaremongering - much of it generated by people who have made a fortune in asbestos removal.

Saying asbestos kills FULL STOP is like saying drinking booze or smoking fags kills FULL STOP......
mmm thats what it says on the packet i think

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Asbestos was banned from car brake pads on safety grounds - how many old mechanics do you actually KNOW who have died from asbestos???......
none they ahve all popped their clogs
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I remember allowing mercury to run around in my hand - no wonder it's called quicksilver. These days they wear full white suits and breathing apparatus to handle it!!!
we wait in eager anticipation!!! shit so did i!
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Forget the Asbestos risk. Not applicable, doubt it has any in the first place, if you use a wallpaper steamer ( rent it) and a wide scraper. Have done it many times. Comes off very quickly , but cover the floor with poly. sheet first. Roll it it up and dump it.
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Forget the Asbestos risk. Not applicable, doubt it has any in the first place, if you use a wallpaper steamer ( rent it) and a wide scraper. Have done it many times. Comes off very quickly , but cover the floor with poly. sheet first. Roll it it up and dump it.
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Your comments surprise me especially with the current levels of publicity in the US concerning respiritory diseases suffered by those caught up in 9/11.

Here is a link to the Environment Agency Website.

http://www.netregs.gov.uk/netregs/processes/367829/

They deal with asbestos waste as it is listed within the European Waste Catalogue.
They specifically list "Certain textured coating, decorative plasters and paints, for example ‘Artex’ type finishes and cornices."
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How many people I wonder have drilled holes through their Artex to put up new light fittings etc - how many have scraped it off - how many have knocked down walls etc???

Wonder if B+Q will be sued for all the people who are dropping down dead all over the country???

Obviously asbestos is nasty stuff BUT I still think there is a massive over reaction to it!!!
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phil you are quite right to share with folks the dangers as you have done

once people are informed they can then make their own decisions regarding their health

when in the RAFwe used to use all sorts of dodgy chemicals in the coure of work, folks used to wander around the hanger sniffing glue cos it smelt good. then when the powers that b became aware of the dangers of mek, trich, aromatic napthers, glues etc then knowledge was shared and procedures changed etc


we used to use trich in hand sprayers to clean down oil leaks with our rag spanners, that has long long since stopped due to the hazzards it presented. however that stopped after i left so hopefully i wont cash in my chips too early.

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How many people I wonder have drilled holes through their Artex to put up new light fittings etc - how many have scraped it off - how many have knocked down walls etc???

Wonder if B+Q will be sued for all the people who are dropping down dead all over the country???

Obviously asbestos is nasty stuff BUT I still think there is a massive over reaction to it!!!
I would say that there are countless people out there who have drilled holes in artex, scraped it off walls or removed it in some other way. All of those people have potentially been exposed to something that could do them harm without realising it.

The son of a work collegue of mine spent 3 days core drilling holes in a school in Surrey last year before they noticed the asbestos stickers.
Thats negligence with the potential to kill.

I don't see how you can say there is a massive over reaction to something that has the potential to kill you.

Thats no different to saying there is a massive over reaction to the dangers of smoking.

(Oooops, opened up another argument there then!)
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The risk from Asbestos is way over rated.
TELL MY DEAD DAD THAT!!!!!!
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