Originally Posted by tim griffin
offer basic one day courses and yet none of you seem to be signing up
Sorry Polwart way off the mark in touting for busines just a question I am keen to know the answer to . I can always advertise a course in the trade section and to be honest I run a fair few so never felt the need to advertise.
Tim, OK no offence intended.
As I see it the major downside of FA training is that it takes quite a bit of time (1 day to learn the basics - 4 days to be "considered by most organisations" as a "first aider"). That is quite a lot of time to commit to something that you hope never to need. Especially since most of us are short of time to get on the boat anyway. On top of this first aid certificates tend to have a 3 year shelf life - whilst most other training is usually unlimited. Add to that the "it will never happen to me mentality" and the reality that most people will rarely use the skills they learn on a 1 day first aid course anyway.
I am not trying to criticise this - but it would all contribute to making first aid training relatively less attractive than other ways to spend my money.
I completely support the idea of everyone learning first aid at school.
I also believe it should be a significant element of a PB2 course (from memory more time is spent tying knots than on first aid).
Now for the positives (?) if I was looking for a first aid course for ribbing then i would want to be being taught by someone who actually has some experience actually doing first aid regularly on genuine casualties. Many "sea schools" offer the RYA first aid course but I suspect most of their trainers have never actually maintained a casualties airway, dealt with fractures or life threatening bleeding. If you go to one of the voluntary aid organisations (e.g. red cross, st john, st andrews) you stand a better chance of this (although beware it is possible to become a trainer without ever dealing with real casualties, in real situations, in these orgs too. However, generally, I wouldn't recommend them for a marine environment unless it is a specialist course (red cross certainly run a small number of specialist outdoor courses) - as the additional challenges of being remote, in a boat etc are not something most of these organisations deal with regularly.
I suspect that griffinmarine may be a good bet for this in that it sounds like you have a strong background in rescue/lifesaving type work as well as marine stuff.
To convince me to get excited about spending my precious time on a fa course I would suggest if someone can design a course in which most of the time is spent afloat so it feels like I am boating not sitting in a classroom then that would win me over. I realise the RYA course may spend some of the time afloat (I think) but its not most. In fact I think it should almost be possible to do an entire course for 3-4 people in a 6-7m rib... ...add in some refresher MoB drills, recovering dummies rather than a danboy, some thinking about what to do e.g. mid solent with the casualty (e.g. run to shore - and quickly work out the navigation etc) - all under the pressure of having a simulated casualty to deal with.
OK thats enough waffling by me - except to mention my final pet hate with fa instructors. Mnemonics... (e.g. Fishshaped to discribe the causes of unconsciousness) - there are millions of them and all they do is help you quickly learn to pass the exam - in my experience they are not actually much use when faced with a casualty - where as understanding a little bit - gives a much better idea of the causes and actions.