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Old 18 April 2009, 16:55   #21
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With no explaination of ftlbs used for muzzle velocity one can assume that all those who used it don't have a clue about the subject.
That leaves Maximus as the only one on this thread worth listening to
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Energy( measured as ft/lbs is usually quote as "at the muzzle" and is a function of projectile weight and velocity. Obviously as the projectile travels down range the velocity degrease as a function of the projectile's BC( Ballistic coeficient). Soooo , as you increase the projectlle mass the velocity decreases to a " cross over" point where the energy decreases., and the limitation is the energy available from the air rilfle's mechanism. So there.
Sold my 50 cal. target rifle 1 year ago; when I moved to Mrexico.
In both the USA and UK a silencer is considered a firearm in addition to the weapon itself. They are not in Mexico, but are difficult to obtain. In Mexico, firearms ( not air rifles) are basically illegal unless you obtain a permit from the Miltary.and these are nearly impossible to obtain.
Silencers in the USA cost around $350.00 and you need to pay a $200 tax on a federal permit which I cannot get as I do not have a physical address in the USA.. They are less that $100.00 in the UK.

Hope this explains my dilema.

However, there is a solution. Purchase an air rifle with a built in silencer called a "shroud" As it is not detachable and therefore tranferable to a true firearm it is not classed as a firearm in both UK and USA.

Have I bored you enough yet.?
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Can't you get a silencer come balance weight and just say its it weight or will you get proper reamed for that?
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Old 18 April 2009, 18:25   #24
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Can't you get a silencer come balance weight and just say its it weight or will you get proper reamed for that?
If you call 10 years in the slammer reamed then yes.
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In both the USA and UK a silencer is considered a firearm in addition to the weapon itself.
But a moderator for an air rifle is almost identical to a .22LR one for a firearm. It only becomes required to go on an FAC when you want to use it for an FAC listed weapon, so I dont understand why you have trouble finding one ?
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But a moderator for an air rifle is almost identical to a .22LR one for a firearm. It only becomes required to go on an FAC when you want to use it for an FAC listed weapon, so I dont understand why you have trouble finding one ?
Not according to CH Weston of Brighton. Recent terrorist laws now class ALL moderators as firearms as they cannot control what they are fitted to.
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Not according to CH Weston of Brighton. Recent terrorist laws now class ALL moderators as firearms as they cannot control what they are fitted to.
Someone's not telling the truth-either that or I was witness to the selling of a universal moderator illegally for my mate's .22 non-FAC air rifle 3 weeks ago.
Said moderator will fit any air rifle-but not sure it'll quieten an FAC air rifle down much.
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not sure it'll quieten an FAC air rifle down much.
It should do, but for best results it should be one of the longer style ones, to cope with the pressure, and preferably threaded too , especially if its a break barrel job .. so what is it LL ? That link I posted to those arse biter moderators was really only to point out that you can get them made in plastic, even for firearms.. but in practice they are too short and dont remove enough of the blast to be effective. Personally .. you cant beat a JLS Stalker

http://www.jls-wednesbury.org/id59.html

And at the bottom LL they quote this

"Please note all sound moderators (except air gun version) require specialist fitting and entry onto a Firearms Certificate"

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From a quick search on Google it seems that silencers can't be sold by mail order due to the 2007 Violent Crime Reduction Act (or something like that). No mention of FAC being required though.

Not sure of the situation if someone was to buy one for LL and ship it out to him.
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LL try gunspares.co.uk - they seem to have a better grip on things and it looks like they may be OK to ship one to you.
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