Originally Posted by codprawn
But you can't even say "generally" - that's the argument Greenpeace etc are using.
What is a 4x4 anyway? Most of the Jap stuff is part time 4wd - it is only in RWD on the road!!!
Freelanders and CRVs etc are not real 4x4s in my opinion - they are CARS - alright maybe they have drive to other wheels at times but they weigh the same as cars - they drive like cars - and they offroad like cars!!!
Good point & Agreed. They ain't 4x4's and are nearly cars and you can exclude the Bravas and Hiluxs and commercial stuff as well, because they are generally used for a job of work.
Ok general is not specific. I drive a VW Golf TDI so 48 mpg in town, 60+ outside. I suspect that is broadly comparable with most mid size cars. I suspect that my broader point is being missed, but I can't think how to phrase it differently.
In my woolly, imprecise way though I was trying to raise the issue that do we need bloody great BMW, Merc, Cayennes etc that ape proper 4wds, plus those squeaky clean proper 4wds, to drive around in towns, only going into low range to mount the high kerb outside the primary school? (Note where I'm based!).
Safety is an individual choice and so I won't dispute your point. My earlier comment stems from when I was a passenger in a L.R. when it hit a small Renault, the bumper went through the passenger window at head height. Luckily no-one in it, but if they had it would have been very nasty indeed. We'd all be fine if we all drove a standrad Euro box
nope I don't have specific data, but generally, (and as from the forums you seem very technically switched on, so please you must accept this!) 4wds are bigger, more mechanically complex, less fuel efficient, wear out items such as tyres quicker( and in London, clutches & gearboxes, or maybe it was just our LR!) if permanent 4wd. All of this requires more resources to build and supply, so they are less environmentally friendly then a Golf or a similar car, which doesn't need as much.
don't think that I'm preaching. My car is still damaging and I didn't get a toyota prius or similar, because I like driving... I just think that the trend toward more and more of these large vehicles is pointless and wasteful.
I think that I shall now retire from this arguement somewhat battered and bruised... I shall stick to boats