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Old 22 March 2006, 15:52   #21
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I had a student (I work at a college) start asking why I drove an SUV. I said I'd demonstrate, and opened the back of the 4-Runner. I pulled out some of what I had in there: 4 scuba cylinders, a dive bag, a bag full of clothes, and said he could start loading it into his little Honda, but be sure to leave room, because he had to give me a ride to go hook up the boat. He wasn't too happy, but didn't say much after that.

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Old 22 March 2006, 15:59   #22
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He wasn't too happy, but didn't say much after that.


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Old 22 March 2006, 16:03   #23
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Don't believe it, just checked and my 3.2TD LWB Shogun is rated at 251

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Old 22 March 2006, 16:28   #24
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people say 4x4s add to danger on the roads but a lot of folks drive quite sensibly in them, myself included to a point, so in that regard they do add to road safety by slowing some drivers down a bit

funny think is that every camera i have tripped i have been in the 4x4, never tripped one in the xjr! never have worked that one out

co2 on beemer is 307+
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Quite frankly most(not all) people in cars AND 4x4's drive like complete cocks anyway.

IMO if the government were to make the BBC show the Safe and Fuel Efficient Driving course I went on as part of my 'on the job' HGV training by the employment agency I used to work for it'd make more difference to pollution levels than upping the road tax...

I'm getting over 32 mpg out of my 2.3 TD frontera yet someone else I know sold his as he was getting 23mpg.

Amazing what a difference it makes when you know what you're doing...
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Old 22 March 2006, 16:42   #26
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This is my view but I respect the points made earlier.

4x4's do give far less mpg (and CO2 generally), use more resources to build, and more to run (eg. tyre wear) are far more damaging to other road users and pedestrians in an accident and, apart from driving position and road presence, offer little that a smaller, more efficient car could do...

The caveat to this is, if you have a genuine need to a 4x4 type car then fine buy one. Most boat owners that use trailers will go down this route, but as has been mentioned previously, how many of these 4wds are bumbling around in towns, never using 4wd or any of their capabilities. That is why people are getting funny about them. Just think how many 4wds you saw on the roads 5 years ago, against now, and it ain't like Britain is getting more and more rural....

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They may use more resources to build but just look how many LandRovers are STILL on the road - they have to be the ultimate in recycling!!!
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Have to admit, even the Discos last longer than normal cars....most fourbies do-unless you're one of those people with a rust fetish who bought an Isuzu trooper.
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I wonder how much extra CO2 the anti lobby breath out during their rantings.
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I wonder how much extra CO2 the anti lobby breath out during their rantings.
As much as us...!?

I don't dispute 4WDs as a tool, day to day car, or toy. Most people on this forum have a good reason for having them, i.e a boat they have to haul in and out. That is fine. But, with regard to the Chelsea Tractors that this all stems from, I personally cannot see how driving a 2 tonne lump of metal around, will ever be more environmentally friendly than a normal car. Despite the fact that LR's are likely stay on the road (sic) longer, some people drive them sensibly etc etc.. I stand by my earlier comment that you don't want to be hit by one, especially if you are in a normal car.

At the end of the day, they are more environmentally damaging than norma cars. It doesn't work, or help the debate, to pretend they are not though. Bit like eating meat and accepting it is a dead animal... if you are happy to do it, then that's your choice. Don't be kidding yourself though.

I'm off to hug my favourite tree now...

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As much as us...!?



At the end of the day, they are more environmentally damaging than norma cars. It doesn't work, or help the debate, to pretend they are not though. Bit like eating meat and accepting it is a dead animal... if you are happy to do it, then that's your choice. Don't be kidding yourself though.

I'm off to hug my favourite tree now...

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Freelander diesel versus a BMW 530??? Don't think so somehow!!!

Also people assume that big engines are worse than small ones - not always the case - a subaru 2lL uses far more fuel than a TVR 4L - not on paper but in real life!!!
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