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Old 22 March 2006, 11:20   #11
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Originally Posted by pressman
You should have splashed out and gone for the new merc engine
Can't be choosy about a part ex mate!She's quite posh for a tug and doesn't owe me a fortune either I'll sell her as soon as seasons finished

About 1.5 litres per hour (slower but easier on the pocket)
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Old 22 March 2006, 11:36   #12
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anyone got a link for the actual amounts ? Wont change any plans for us, we'll just grin and bear it as usual Mind you I have got one thats due to tax on 1st april

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Old 22 March 2006, 11:39   #13
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Originally Posted by donutsina911
There are obvious exceptions, but if you're driving a car that falls within a high tax bracket then its probably worth a few quid and / or costs a few quid to run and the tax hikes are an irratant rather than a reason to change cars. The fact that the tax for my car equates to two and a bit tanks of petrol kind of puts it in perspective for me.
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Old 22 March 2006, 11:45   #14
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Typical Media 4X4 easy to identify. My 4X4 has the same diesel engine as some saloon's and estates!! However just creapt under the Co2 @ 244

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Old 22 March 2006, 12:13   #15
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Had an argument with the woman in charge of all this crap at Greenpeace. After having arguments with 3 other women there as well.

She just didn't seem to get the point - woman's logic I suppose.....

I asked her what was wrong with something like a Freelander - she said it didn't need to be a 4x4. When I pointed out that it had a viscous coupling which meant it wasn't really 4x4 until it needed to be she didn't know what I was on about.

I then asked her if she objected to a Peugot 407 diesel estate. She said of course not. I then pointed out the Freelander was shorter - lighter - and produced less CO2 - she STILL stuck to 4x4's should be banned - like a record stuck in a groove - there is NO reasoning with these people!!!
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Old 22 March 2006, 12:15   #16
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Originally Posted by wavelength
anyone got a link for the actual amounts ? Wont change any plans for us, we'll just grin and bear it as usual Mind you I have got one thats due to tax on 1st april

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Old 22 March 2006, 12:33   #17
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lucky all us 4x4 owners are so well off we wont notice it eh? we wish!

thing is a lot of folks have 4x4 as a second car and consequently it may not do many miles. typical idiots taking a disliking to what is effectively a good safe family the mrs has far less accidents in her 4x4 than she did in the celicas and mr2s
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Old 22 March 2006, 13:10   #18
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rant I show you rant!

Now lets see, you drive a 4x4 obviously you are a tosser! I'm a tosser I drive a Landrover 4 or 7 miles to work, this often includes dropping off my daughter and my girlfriend. My 4x4 does 16mpg on average. My boat well that does 2 - 6 mpg

My "right on" all greened up colleague drives a Ford Focus that does what? 35/45mpg she lives 45 miles away and commutes - "Ahh but its greener" She holidays abroad regularly flying ofcourse, apparently they burn parafin or something.

What utter cobblers, a mere sop toward a morally corrupt governments already well blotted copy book. When it gets around to looking at annual resource usage then we will see who's green and who isnt.

Clearly the MD of Range Rover didnt bung Crony Bliar enoguh cash.
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Old 22 March 2006, 14:22   #19
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There are so many gaps in the anti 4 x 4 argument that you could drive the proverbial coach & horses through them (did you see what I did there? )

Firstly emissions. According to the Daily Telegraph motoring section a while ago, a BMW X3 2ltr diesel puts out less emissions than a Mini Cooper S in a typical urban cycle. Yet which one would be more socially acceptable to these people?

Secondly sustainability. If you currently drive a thirsty 4 x 4 the fact is that it has already been built. The energy used to produce it has already been spent. If you sold it and purchased a something trendy like a Toyota petrol/electric thingy, how much more finite resources would be used to produce the thing? Does anyone take this into account? Don’t think so.

Just my opinion.

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Old 22 March 2006, 14:52   #20
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This is my view but I respect the points made earlier.

4x4's do give far less mpg (and CO2 generally), use more resources to build, and more to run (eg. tyre wear) are far more damaging to other road users and pedestrians in an accident and, apart from driving position and road presence, offer little that a smaller, more efficient car could do...

The caveat to this is, if you have a genuine need to a 4x4 type car then fine buy one. Most boat owners that use trailers will go down this route, but as has been mentioned previously, how many of these 4wds are bumbling around in towns, never using 4wd or any of their capabilities. That is why people are getting funny about them. Just think how many 4wds you saw on the roads 5 years ago, against now, and it ain't like Britain is getting more and more rural....



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