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Old 15 October 2014, 05:23   #71
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How do other countries such as France cover it?

All boats have to be registered, all operators have to have a "leesonce" & pass a test at a Bateau Ecole (boat school). There is an extensive list of compulsory safety equipment. An open Rib is restricted to 5nm offshore. The annual ( luxury) tax is several hundreds of euros. They have 5 different agencies that can stop & search you both at sea & ashore (and do so regularly) After all that, they are still a bunch of muppets & spend more money on taxes & paperwork than they do on their boats.
Diving for scallops/shellfish is illegal & leads to confiscation of boat & gear. Trailers have to be registered & mot'd. I think I've covered most of it, is that what you want?


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Old 15 October 2014, 05:56   #72
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Yup, the French love their rules - no one wears a LJ though
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All boats have to be registered, all operators have to have a "leesonce" & pass a test at a Bateau Ecole (boat school). There is an extensive list of compulsory safety equipment. An open Rib is restricted to 5nm offshore. The annual ( luxury) tax is several hundreds of euros. They have 5 different agencies that can stop & search you both at sea & ashore (and do so regularly) After all that, they are still a bunch of muppets & spend more money on taxes & paperwork than they do on their boats.
Diving for scallops/shellfish is illegal & leads to confiscation of boat & gear. Trailers have to be registered & mot'd. I think I've covered most of it, is that what you want?


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Old 15 October 2014, 06:34   #74
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So from your response you would make Powerboat level 2 a legal requirement, but not VHF, first aid, or sea survival. They are all useful and could save lives, so why don't you want to make them all compulsory?
Cause and effect ? - If people were better trained / briefed or experienced (by a PB or something else) there would surely be less chance of them needing to use a VHF, practice 1st aid and then survive in the sea?

Isn't this why ' words of advice' are given by RNLI / MCA when they've been out and dragged someone back in with no VHF, getting very cold with no idea about windchill or how much faster water pulls heat from person than air ?

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If everyone had to sit a PBL2 before they could get insurance cover issued. it would mean that the numbers of people who have at least received some training would rise and hopefully some of what they learn will stick.
Or, the number of people taking out insurance would fall and there would be more uninsured boats being driven by apparently incompetent people. I think your assumption that incompetent people bother with insurance may be flawed. As I said earlier if this were a "no brainer" to reduce risk then insurers would already be loading premiums much more than they do for people without training.
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Cause and effect ? - If people were better trained / briefed or experienced (by a PB or something else) there would surely be less chance of them needing to use a VHF, practice 1st aid and then survive in the sea?
When you were doing the Sea Survival and Elementary First Aid courses as part of your APB Commercial Endorsement, did you advance this theory? I'm guessing not
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When you were doing the Sea Survival and Elementary First Aid courses as part of your APB Commercial Endorsement, did you advance this theory? I'm guessing not
I'm confused as to what you mean ? What Theory ?

My thinking (yes I do think very very rarely) is if we were all let loose driving with no form of test it would be chaos, same with flying etc .

You 'could' go buy a dive rig and jump in and start blowing bubbles with no training? But people don't s its bloody dangerous to do that...

Lets not just focus on PB courses 'only' teaching you to 'drive a boat' . A good PB instructor will pass on experiences and general 'advice'.

So do I think it would be good to have standard - Yes

Do I think it will ever work or be enforceable - No
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Maximus, do you have a thought,question or opinion on this topic, or are you just getting you post count up with snide one liners and "clever" quips?
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I do wonder if something similar to the CBT would work, nothing like a PB2 but would cover absolute basics like lifejackets, exposure protection, kill cords etc.
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Yup, the French love their rules - no one wears a LJ though

Or kill cord. My French friends used to think I was OTT or was that OCD, but then after seeing how we do things here, they are quite accepting & happy to play along. They see it as normal, whereas in France LJs aren't very Macho.


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