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Old 14 October 2014, 15:31   #61
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Rockraider - how many of the problem drivers do you think are currently insured at all? insurance seems relatively cheap to me and discounts are minimal for having a pb2 so I guess the actuaries haven't identified this is a risk they can avoid?
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Old 14 October 2014, 15:46   #62
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Let the flack begin!
I have to say that I'm really struggling with this. Your original post was clearly going to be contentious, yet you complained when people posted disagreeing with you. Now you follow up with a suggestion that you openly admit is massively flawed and say "let the flack begin".

I didn't have you down as a troll, but it looks like I might have got that wrong.
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Old 14 October 2014, 16:05   #63
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Let the flack begin!
Ach, why not?

I can't help thinking that you've latched onto the Insurance Angle now that Poly expressed a liking for the stuff. Other than that, it strikes me that you've opened a box of hand grenades and are wondering where the pins are. Boatnomad (a VERY sensible sort) is bang on the money when he wonders where the "Yes or No" went! Did you think they'd all say "Yes" or were you just trolling the forum to argue with the "Nos"?
I'm very interested in your idea about refresher courses. I have to "refresh" one of my boating quals every now and again, but I wonder how you'd feel about refreshing your car Driver's Licence?

EDIT - I see the other guys have added a reply or two since I started typing. Still - I want my say said.
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Old 14 October 2014, 17:39   #64
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On other forums that would be regarded as a troll comment.....
Well good job it's on here then!
Anyway....I think you may have the answer to the question by now...don't you?
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Old 14 October 2014, 17:54   #65
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Well good job it's on here then!
Anyway....I think you may have the answer to the question by now...don't you?
Answer? I didn't ask the original question, keep up...
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Hmmmmm. This all goes to show that the nights are drawing in and peeps are now spending FAR TOO MUCH TIME sat in front of their electronic media....
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Rockraider - how many of the problem drivers do you think are currently insured at all? insurance seems relatively cheap to me and discounts are minimal for having a pb2 so I guess the actuaries haven't identified this is a risk they can avoid?
Labelling this as another yes or no thread was a mistake in hindsight, but it seems to have triggered some discussion, if nothing else.
As I see it, the problem is that people on here are keen and dedicated and spend as much time on the water as they can, this way they gather experience and should be capable operators. So the general view is from a position where the discussion about casual users gets easily overlooked or dismissed.
There are a lot of people out there who dip in and out and only operate a boat occasionally. They lack experience and skills and as the system stands currently, they are not obliged to do anything about it. If everyone had to sit a PBL2 before they could get insurance cover issued. it would mean that the numbers of people who have at least received some training would rise and hopefully some of what they learn will stick.
There will always be the wankers with no insurance or abilities who will slip through the process, but hopefully the general standards of safety would improve?

By the way Polly no c in Rokraider
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Ach, why not?

I can't help thinking that you've latched onto the Insurance Angle now that Poly expressed a liking for the stuff. Other than that, it strikes me that you've opened a box of hand grenades and are wondering where the pins are. Boatnomad (a VERY sensible sort) is bang on the money when he wonders where the "Yes or No" went! Did you think they'd all say "Yes" or were you just trolling the forum to argue with the "Nos"?
I'm very interested in your idea about refresher courses. I have to "refresh" one of my boating quals every now and again, but I wonder how you'd feel about refreshing your car Driver's Licence?

EDIT - I see the other guys have added a reply or two since I started typing. Still - I want my say said.
This was bound to be contentious but was not intended to be trolling.
I often don't use either RIB much over the winter as most of my weekends are spent supporting dinghy events in Chi Harbour or Hayling Bay and they slow down over the winter. Come the spring when I feel a bit rusty, I take my mate who is a RYA instructor out with me to give me a refresher. I actually find it very useful and new recovery techniques are being developed all the time and it allows me to keep up to speed with them as well.


I wouldn't want to have to take a car refresher course, but if I couldn't get insured unless I did, I would have to accept it. Might improve a few bad habits that I have undoubtably picked up over the last 40 years.

The "latching" on to the insurance angle was one way that seems possible to enforce things as much as you can.

How do other countries such as France cover it?
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OK Rokraider, let's assume for now that you're not a troll and that you are making a serious suggestion.

What exactly is the problem that you are trying to fix with your proposed legislation?
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Answer? I didn't ask the original question, keep up...
OH!...Blimey!
Someone enjoys playing the Rightous indignation card me thinks
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