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Old 14 October 2014, 11:26   #51
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I am not saying i agree or disagree, just pointing out logic and facts.
Not really. Just missing the point!

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No one here will change my mind about a mandatory PB2 style certification being a good thing
Not the ideal basis for a useful discussion.

Someone may well change my mind about it one day if they can demonstrate that it would be practical and serve a useful purpose, but there's no sign of that happening so far.
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Old 14 October 2014, 11:28   #52
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I think the petty bickering and sniping as seen above, highlights why the Ribnet credibility post is relevant.
We're having a discussion. We disagree, but that's OK.

What in your view makes it "petty bickering and sniping"? How would you suggest that we conduct this debate differently?
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Old 14 October 2014, 11:47   #53
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I am dipping in and out between jobs at the moment and do not have time for a proper response, however, read back through the posts and see how many become more bullying than objective with ego needing to belittle and score points rather than constructive debate. If you can't see it, then that is part of the problem.
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Old 14 October 2014, 11:51   #54
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Did someone mention 2 stroke V 4 stroke ?
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Did someone mention 2 stroke V 4 stroke ?
Or steam engine!


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Old 14 October 2014, 13:13   #56
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I am dipping in and out between jobs at the moment and do not have time for a proper response, however, read back through the posts and see how many become more bullying than objective with ego needing to belittle and score points rather than constructive debate. If you can't see it, then that is part of the problem.
I'm sorry you feel that way but I disagree with you, as I disagree with the proposal in this thread.

I'm not interested in scoring points, but am happy for there to be a discussion about the pros and cons of your idea. Where do we go from here?
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Old 14 October 2014, 14:40   #57
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It's a bad idea, who will police it?
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I am also against red tape and 5estrictions on freedom, however I would like to see the general level of competence raised. The hard core regular users of powered vessels are not the problem as I see it, they gain experience and as a regular user keep their eye in. I am aiming this more at the occasional drivers who dip in and out and do not drive regularly, starting with virtually no knowledge and not getting beyond that point. If they were forced to have at least taken some instruction before being allowed out on their own, hopefully the basics will have sunk in. One way this could be enforced is using the insurance companies to only issue cover on proof of paasing PBL 2 for example. I realise the argument can be shot full of holes on the basis that people won't bother getting insurance in some cases. The vast majority are law abiding and will tow the line rather than risk their toy not being insured, so there would be some level of improvement and backed up with a refresher course every couple of years. It will make our hobby more expensive, but also safer for all and more boats will have proper insurance. It is somewhat vague and will be unpopular with regular drivers who will undoubtably feel they don't need refreshers, but that is another problem in itself.

Let the flack begin!
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Which all goes to prove, there is never a YES or NO question on forums
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I started reading this thinking it was a 'yes' 'no' post. It's turned into a rather puerile one.

Please open up Ribnet Credibility again mods, I'm not sure the users of this site have all had their say. Or am I missing the point?
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