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Old 13 October 2014, 17:50   #31
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Bit of thread drift but to me its the same with horse owners some muppet will go and buy a horse have no idea how to ride etc with a potential killer in there hands so how you going to legislate against that
Not a rib try here
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Old 13 October 2014, 17:57   #32
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Not a rib try here
don't need to been round horses for 45 years now folk need to get out into the real world instead of sitting in offices making silly rules
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Old 13 October 2014, 18:03   #33
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don't need to been round horses for 45 years now folk need to get out into the real world instead of sitting in offices making silly rules
Never use for transport anything that has a mind of its own I say.
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VHF i think you will find is?
No, there's no requirement to even have a VHF. You certainly don't need a VHF certificate to use a boat

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First aid, is it required for a driving test?
What's a driving test got to do with it? I thought you were proposing laws to make boating safer?

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Sea survival, for a sib no, fresh water No, maybe a something like the Cat B/C boat requirements x miles from safe harbour?
So would you make it illegal to do a cross channel trip in a RIB without a sea survival certificate?

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As i have said before on other threads when asked the same question, just because something is not easy is not a reason for not doing the right thing.
Absolutely. But a sense of proportion is always helpful in deciding whether that thing is actually right.

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I am not saying i have all the answers, but having pulled bodies out of the water on several occasions, anything that can prevent even one of these occurrences is a good thing. as to cost, how much is a member of your family worth?
The "if it saves one life" argument is fatuous and uses emotion to bypass logic. It just doesn't stack up.

It seems like your experience is very different to most people's. Maybe that gives you a different perspective on things. How have you ended up retrieving dead bodies so many times anyway? Do you work for one of the rescue services, or have you just been in the wrong place at the wrong time? It seems incredibly unlucky!
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I didn't read all the posts, I can see two good reasons that for me would be a no vote, it would undoubtably cost us more money to have fun and less privacy
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Old 14 October 2014, 04:50   #36
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No, there's no requirement to even have a VHF. You certainly don't need a VHF certificate to use a boat
Sorry John but you are splitting hairs here. from Ofcom Website

"What operator certificate do I need?
You must hold at least the Short Range Certificate to use hand held VHF DSC, just like any VHF DSC radio."

"Licensing ensures that radio equipment used on board ships does not cause undue interference to other communications equipment and is operated by competent persons.
Failure to hold a valid licence is a criminal offence and Ofcom's enforcement team can impose on-the-spot fines. The maximum penalty on conviction is a 5,000 fine and/or a six month prison sentence. Those convicted may also be ordered to forfeit any radio apparatus used illegally."


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What's a driving test got to do with it? I thought you were proposing laws to make boating safer?
Hey, you brought up first aid Certs, why do YOU think its needed. I was just pointing out that they are not required for the operation of a motor vehicle.

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So would you make it illegal to do a cross channel trip in a RIB without a sea survival certificate?
Again a principal you brought up, I hadn't even considered sea survival course, if you want a sea survival course mandatory, fine I was suggesting if they were to be incorporated then yes something like that may make sense. However I have only ever mentioned a PB2 type level cert, you brought in all the extra stuff.

if you want to drag extra requirements into the discussion, please do so but don't expect me to justify your thoughts.


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The "if it saves one life" argument is fatuous and uses emotion to bypass logic. It just doesn't stack up.
Lets go fully anarchic then.....

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It seems like your experience is very different to most people's. Maybe that gives you a different perspective on things. How have you ended up retrieving dead bodies so many times anyway? Do you work for one of the rescue services, or have you just been in the wrong place at the wrong time? It seems incredibly unlucky!
I have spent much of my early working life on boats and by on boats i mean 8 hrs a day on small boats all over the world. I have been part of nominated UK CG resource and have worked with in the US with a NY Marine Unit, and in the Indian Ocean on ships been the nominated Rescue Boat driver.

Yes I have been unlucky in some respects but have had the chance to improve many peoples seamanship skills and knowledge too. So I hope it all balances out.
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Hey, you brought up first aid Certs, why do YOU think its needed. I was just pointing out that they are not required for the operation of a motor vehicle.

Again a principal you brought up, I hadn't even considered sea survival course, if you want a sea survival course mandatory, fine I was suggesting if they were to be incorporated then yes something like that may make sense. However I have only ever mentioned a PB2 type level cert, you brought in all the extra stuff.
I don't think that any of these need to be mandatory.

You're proposing making it illegal to use a RIB without having an RYA level 2 type qualification because you believe it would make things safer. The reason I was asking about other qualifications was because I was curious to know whether you thought they have a similar bearing on safety. You're the one making the proposal, I was just asking your opinion.

So from your response you would make Powerboat level 2 a legal requirement, but not VHF, first aid, or sea survival. They are all useful and could save lives, so why don't you want to make them all compulsory?
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Sorry John but you are splitting hairs here. from Ofcom Website



"What operator certificate do I need?

You must hold at least the Short Range Certificate to use hand held VHF DSC, just like any VHF DSC radio."



"Licensing ensures that radio equipment used on board ships does not cause undue interference to other communications equipment and is operated by competent persons.

Failure to hold a valid licence is a criminal offence and Ofcom's enforcement team can impose on-the-spot fines. The maximum penalty on conviction is a 5,000 fine and/or a six month prison sentence. Those convicted may also be ordered to forfeit any radio apparatus used illegally."









That's not what JK said


.....sh1t happens.......
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That's not what JK said
don't let details like that get in the way of the argument!

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...on small boats all over the world... I have been part of nominated UK CG resource and have worked with in the US with a NY Marine Unit, and in the Indian Ocean on ships been the nominated Rescue Boat driver...
So is your basis for the earlier assertion that lots of inexperienced people find themselves in challenging conditions needing assistance actually based on the UK (we've already established that most of them weren't in power boats!). Did you really see a better standard of seamanship in the countries where licensing is in place?
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I think the petty bickering and sniping as seen above, highlights why the Ribnet credibility post is relevant.
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