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Old 13 October 2014, 15:52   #21
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Of course people can be fools, as in anything and no one can legislate for that.
Actually you potentially can! Fines for marine related stupid incidents are fairly significant, in many cases existing legislation (national or local byelaws) are enough for many of the things that upset people. It's just rather unusual to see prosecutions. Some high profile cases might be a better deterrent for the incompetent than passing a test.
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My take is this. Government has consistently proved that any attempt at regulation of anything is going to be bloody expensive,unworkably beaurocratic and inefficient.

You'll never hear me argue against training. However, you'll always hear me argue against government becoming involved in boating.
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Actually you potentially can! Fines for marine related stupid incidents are fairly significant, in many cases existing legislation (national or local byelaws) are enough for many of the things that upset people. It's just rather unusual to see prosecutions. Some high profile cases might be a better deterrent for the incompetent than passing a test.
And that works so well with the bans on top of bans on top of bans for those repeatedly driving whilst disqualified.

Anyway we are not going to change each others minds
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And that works so well with the bans on top of bans on top of bans for those repeatedly driving whilst disqualified.
Sounds like an argument why licensing doesn't work to me

I was thinking more like this: 100,000 fine for tanker-crash yachtsman | Pbo
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As any teacher/instructor will tell you only via testing (which can take many forms) can he/she know if the lessons taught have been understood and the abilities taught have been learnt.

The evidence of this is usually in the form of a certificate (in our case PB2 being the de facto) which is already practical as is done on a daily basis. The fact that a standard skill level which is accepted as a base is helpful as everyone understand what is required.
Of course people can be fools, as in anything and no one can legislate for that.
I'm not sure what any of that has to do with making training mandatory though?
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Sounds like an argument why licensing doesn't work to me

I was thinking more like this: 100,000 fine for tanker-crash yachtsman | Pbo
"Royal Navy lieutenant Roland Wilson" think he may be certified in some way hardly your average rib user.
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I'm not sure what any of that has to do with making training mandatory though?
Training or licencing?

My point is that is we are saying when you buy your first boat we all think its a good idea to do a pb2(which i think we all do). Then you already have a "licence" just one that's not mandatory, however we all think its a good idea to do the training that leads to a cert/licence so what the difference between us saying "get your first boat, do the training" and someone else (CG, local authority,RYA, Superman or the brothers grim) saying, you must do it?
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The main difference is that mandatory training would be unenforceable without a massive investment in resources and at the same time wouldn't bring any significant benefit. But I think that's been said before.

Would you make first aid, sea survival and VHF mandatory too? If not, why not?
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The main difference is that mandatory training would be unenforceable without a massive investment in resources and at the same time wouldn't bring any significant benefit. But I think that's been said before.

Would you make first aid, sea survival and VHF mandatory too? If not, why not?
VHF i think you will find is?
First aid, is it required for a driving test?
Sea survival, for a sib no, fresh water No, maybe a something like the Cat B/C boat requirements x miles from safe harbour?

As i have said before on other threads when asked the same question, just because something is not easy is not a reason for not doing the right thing.

I am not saying i have all the answers, but having pulled bodies out of the water on several occasions, anything that can prevent even one of these occurrences is a good thing. as to cost, how much is a member of your family worth?
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Bit of thread drift but to me its the same with horse owners some muppet will go and buy a horse have no idea how to ride etc with a potential killer in there hands so how you going to legislate against that
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