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Old 20 April 2009, 12:31   #1
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Air gun - tighter controls?

Whilst on the subject .. whats the general view about whether or not air rifles are about to get banned ? .. and if so I fancy buying one before they do, as my old man has nicked mine. If they do then get banned, will it just be a matter of no further sales, or will they have to compensate owners for them as was the case with handguns. I cant see this (compensation) as there is no certificate authorising their ownership but the worst case scenario is that they would have to be surrendered . Any views on this gentlemen ?
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Whilst on the subject .. whats the general view about whether or not air rifles are about to get banned ? .. and if so I fancy buying one before they do, as my old man has nicked mine. If they do then get banned, will it just be a matter of no further sales, or will they have to compensate owners for them as was the case with handguns. I cant see this (compensation) as there is no certificate authorising their ownership but the worst case scenario is that they would have to be surrendered . Any views on this gentlemen ?
I think this might just be a Scottish thing? Driven by a few tragic but isolated incidents - where something else would have been used instead. There does seem to be popular opinion in favour of tougher regulation - but I doubt that an outright ban will happen in the near term. Perhaps a licensing scheme for ownership/sales etc. is the more likely result.
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Whilst on the subject .. whats the general view about whether or not air rifles are about to get banned ? .. and if so I fancy buying one before they do, as my old man has nicked mine. If they do then get banned, will it just be a matter of no further sales, or will they have to compensate owners for them as was the case with handguns. I cant see this (compensation) as there is no certificate authorising their ownership but the worst case scenario is that they would have to be surrendered . Any views on this gentlemen ?
I USED to own a lovely Uberti replica like the photo. Cost me about 300. It used the Brocock air cartridge system. Basically you pumped up the cartidge and placed a pellet in the cap. It was set at 6ftlbs and needed about 6 pumps per cartridge. You could then shoot 6 rounds like a revolver. To be honest is was more of a gimmick and I hardly ever fired it but it was a work of art.

Then our lovely government decided to put a stop to things. They were very crafty. They didn't ban them because that would have meant they would have to pay compensation. I had 2 choices - hand it in to be scrapped(or sold by bent copper) or get an FAC with it and be subjected to all the crap that goes with it - for an air pistol...........

I had no option other than to hand it in. If I had tried to keep it I would have been facing a mandatory 5yrs in prison!!!

And as has been seen recently the strictest gun laws in the whole world haven't helped much in Manchester or London............
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Old 20 April 2009, 14:03   #4
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I had no option other than to hand it in.
except as you already said you did have another option - to get a FAC for it.
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except as you already said you did have another option - to get a FAC for it.
Yeah but that really defeats the idea of low powered weapons in the first place, but .. I can see where they were coming from. I dont really think replicas are a good idea either, they cause a lot of stand offs. Having said that, he could still posess any other pistol ? What grounds was the discrimination on ? .. the fact it looked more real ? How vague is that

But I think you are right Polwart, it may be a Scottish thing , in which case they will have no power to legislate .. right? .. as firearms legislation is a westminster issue.
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Yeah but that really defeats the idea of low powered weapons in the first place, but .. I can see where they were coming from. I dont really think replicas are a good idea either, they cause a lot of stand offs. Having said that, he could still posess any other pistol ? What grounds was the discrimination on ? .. the fact it looked more real ? How vague is that
I agree, but he was making out that the state had robbed him of his prize possession- if it were that important he would have got the FAC for it (assuming of course he could convince the officials he was of suitable character etc!). I don't really get the fascination with guns and so cant understand replicas at all. I wouldn't ban guns outright - but I think anything that pretends to be a licensed weapon should probably be licensed too.
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that's my understanding... and its probably the main reason why nothing has come of it yet...
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I agree, but he was making out that the state had robbed him of his prize possession- if it were that important he would have got the FAC for it (assuming of course he could convince the officials he was of suitable character etc!). I don't really get the fascination with guns and so cant understand replicas at all. I wouldn't ban guns outright - but I think anything that pretends to be a licensed weapon should probably be licensed too.
that's my understanding... and its probably the main reason why nothing has come of it yet...
The state DID rob me of a prized possession. When I bought it there was no mention of it needing an FAC. If there had been I wouldn't have bought it. I did not ask them to move the goalposts - they chose to do so.

Would they have paid me for all the extra security I would have needed? Would they have compensated me for the the extra hassle? I doubt it.

You say I had a choice - I don't think Hobson's choice is up to much really.........

And as for Replicas being banned what about chair legs? Oh and rucksacks? People have been shot for carrying both........
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And as for Replicas being banned what about chair legs? Oh and rucksacks? People have been shot for carrying both........
Yes .. but Harry Stanley bent down on one knee and pointed his chair leg at an armed copper who was shouting 'Armed Police!' ..from many yards away .. what were they supposed to think / or do when he refused to drop it ? .. plus they knew he had previous I think

Anyway what the feck has this got to do with the fact airguns are going to get banned or licensed?
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The state DID rob me of a prized possession.
can't have been that prized if you wouldn't make the investment in security and "hassle" to keep it.

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no shooting someone principally because they are carrying a rucksack or table leg is clearly wrong unless something about their actions leads you to believe they are actually a specific and imminent threat... and I would generally take the position that that is unlikely (but not impossible) unless someone is trying to get shot.

In contrast I can see no realistic reason for wandering the streets with replica (or real) firearms and so if someone does I see no problem with them being regarded as a specific and imminent threat, and that threat being dealt with using appropriate measures.

My issue with replica weapons is that they ARE used to engender fear, and they become competitive - if someone else has a weapon (real or not) then you need one too and so the spiral continues. Genuine collectors should have no problem with licensing and control.
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can't have been that prized if you wouldn't make the investment in security and "hassle" to keep it.

In contrast I can see no realistic reason for wandering the streets with replica (or real) firearms and so if someone does I see no problem with them being regarded as a specific and imminent threat, and that threat being dealt with using appropriate measures.

My issue with replica weapons is that they ARE used to engender fear, and they become competitive - if someone else has a weapon (real or not) then you need one too and so the spiral continues. Genuine collectors should have no problem with licensing and control.
Why should I have to? I bought it perfectly legally.

I can't recall EVER having wandered the streets with it!!!

So you also want ALL toy guns to be banned - also waterpistols and anything else that looks even remotely gun like.

The ONLY people I have ever seen wandeing the streets of Swansea with guns have been the Police - quite why I really can't fathom!!!
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