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Old 26 June 2008, 16:28   #11
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So this is the problem then? .. that we are making too many people accountable for their mistakes by handing out a spell in prison ? when in actual fact we are loosing the abilty to accept that accidents will happen. So when will the health and safety crew finally stop then,.. where do you draw the line between what is an honest mistake, and a breach of H & S, or just a lack of COMMON SENSE

You wouldnt drive down the motorway doing 70 whilst looking out of the back window would you ? especially if you have passengers,.. you have a responsibility for them, for goodness sake, so how is this case any different ?
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So this is the problem then? .. that we are making too many people accountable for their mistakes by handing out a spell in prison ? when in actual fact we are loosing the abilty to accept that accidents will happen. So when will the health and safety crew finally stop then,.. where do you draw the line between what is an honest mistake, and a breach of H & S, or just a lack of COMMON SENSE

You wouldnt drive down the motorway doing 70 whilst looking out of the back window would you ? especially if you have passengers,.. you have a responsibility for them, for goodness sake, so how is this case any different ?
You hit the nail on the head - COMMON SENSE. If YOU had been on that boat would YOU have been happy to have the skipper on deck and not in the wheelhouse?

As the crew were obviously ok with that they obviously thought they weren't in any danger either!!!

If you were a passenger on a bus and the driver walked down the isle for a chat would you just sit there???
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Old 26 June 2008, 17:42   #13
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You hit the nail on the head - COMMON SENSE. If YOU had been on that boat would YOU have been happy to have the skipper on deck and not in the wheelhouse?
you might if that has been normal practice whenever you sail with him (and possibly all your sailing career).
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As the crew were obviously ok with that they obviously thought they weren't in any danger either!!!
nobody knows if the crew were OK with it or they percieved the danger.
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If you were a passenger on a bus and the driver walked down the isle for a chat would you just sit there???
engage brain before making that analogy -- are you saying that if a bus driver left his seat whilst in motion, and killed two people he wouldn't/shouldn't get prosecuted for manslaughter? and it wouldn't be his "fault" because his passengers didn't intervene!

P.S. what has happened to you're normally pedantic spelling? isle!=aisle, sentance!
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As the crew were obviously ok with that they obviously thought they weren't in any danger either!!!
They may have thought that, they may not. If they did, they were wrong too.

From the MAIB report it seems that it may be common practise to leave the wheelhouse unattended when heading back to port. That doesn't make it right either, although it may have given the crew a false sense of security.

Here's a quiz: If someone t-boned your stationary car because they were talking on their mobile phone whilst driving and not paying attention, who's fault is it:

A - no one's
B - the car driver
C - the passengers in the car
D - yours

Answers on a postcard please . . .

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Well if my car was sitting right across the road around a blind bend..........
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Well if my car was sitting right across the road around a blind bend..........
You should be driving at a speed where you can stop in the distance you can see.

If that means going slowly round the blind bend then go slowly.
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Well if my car was sitting right across the road around a blind bend..........
It wasn't. I know, because it's my quiz.

Carry on . . .
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It wasn't. I know, because it's my quiz.


Applying "codlogic" the following would apply:

A - no one's - clearly this is just an accident, so this is the answer
B - the car driver - its not his fault he is just standing up against an opresive government!
C - the passengers in the car - its as much their fault as it is the car drivers if they percieved the hazard they should have stopped the car
D - yours - can't be Cod's fault - he is never wrong!
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Applying "codlogic" the following would apply:

A - no one's - clearly this is just an accident, so this is the answer
B - the car driver - its not his fault he is just standing up against an opresive government!
C - the passengers in the car - its as much their fault as it is the car drivers if they percieved the hazard they should have stopped the car
D - yours - can't be Cod's fault - he is never wrong!
I am sometimes - my spelling was terrible!!!
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You should be driving at a speed where you can stop in the distance you can see.

If that means going slowly round the blind bend then go slowly.
In theory you are perfectly correct - I learnt that lesson when I was 19 and went around a bend at 60mph to find 2 police cars - an ambulance and a Porsche upside down - stopped with inches to spare!!!

In practice not many people would be able to avoid a car parked sideways across a lane on something like the A465.
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