Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
 
Old 07 November 2005, 13:31   #1
Member
 
Country: UK - England
Length: 6m +
Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 1,850
4x4 Advice - Hilux Surfs, Isuzu Troopers, Nissan Patrols

Hi all!

There seems to be a huuge amount of 4x4 knowledge on this forum, so I'm hoping with the wealth of experience contained, I can make an informed decision when I've eventually saved enough to change my car!

I currently drive a Kia Sportage, and whilst I enjoy the 2.0 petrol engine, the car isn't big enough, doesn't have enough torque to tow big things, and is a gay colour! I would like a big 4x4, that I can fit 5 people, all their sailing gear, and all the boat kit, and tow a double (sometimes triple) dinghy stack trailer with, as well as of course ribs.

7 Seats is a huge advantage, as I got stopped 2 weekends ago for having more people than seats in the car.

I've narrowed down what I'm after to a 2.5l plus Diesel car, preferably turbo. Being as I am a poor student (I know, poor student looking at a 4x4!) I would like a reliable car that's low maintenance, and spares are readily available for. I do go off road every once in a while when I'm helping on army cadet camps (or fancy getting the kia stuck on Andy's paintball site!), so would like something with more ability than an X5!

However, as well as being a pretty good off road and towing car, I also need any 4x4 to be road car as well, IE I need to be able to bomb it back to Kent in relative comfort, so it has to have a reasonable interior. Ride is not a major factor, however something a bit softer on the motorway than a defender would be nice. I'd also like something that doesn't accelerate like a tank, not talking ferrari here, just not a sloth. I'd also rather not buy anything older than 1995.

I would ideally like a car that depreciates horrendously from new, as then s/h they are cheaper! Fuel economy is, being as I'm after a 4x4, not a major issue compared to the general car market, however I would like an economical 4x4 if that makes sense!

Cars Currently on my shortlist are the Hilux Surf (The new shape one), and the Isuzu Trooper (I like the idea of 7 seats in the trooper). The Nissan Patrol is pricey, but I like the idea, and Andy Stevens suggested a Fourtrak, although the interior is a bit naf. I looked at a range rover however though the interior was wasted on me (a bit too comfortable, i'd wreck it with salt water!) and didn't like the maintenance costs etc.

That seems like one hell of a list of wants, however if anybody has any suggestions, suggest on!

(Also, if anyone in Hants has a trooper they'd be prepared to let me have a little drive of, that'd be grand too!)
__________________

__________________
Jimbo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07 November 2005, 13:43   #2
Member
 
Country: Canada
Town: Newfoundland
Length: no boat
Join Date: May 2000
Posts: 2,097
Sooper Trooper

I had a Trooper - W Reg vintage - 3.0TD. Loved it. It was very comfortable for every day useage, bags of room inside (mine was 5 seat not 7) for both pax and kit, lots of power from 3L common rail diesel (160bhp IIRC) so nippy enough on its own and a fantastic tow vehicle. I used to tow Blue Ice (7.5m Scorp if you dont already know her) on her heavy duty SBS trailer. All up weight 2250kg. The 'zu lapped it up, smooth tow & very stable. Fuel Economy was around 30mpg when not towing depending on how heavy your right foot is!

Without wishing to reignite the 'Landrover holy wars' (So steady on Codders), I felt it was a better tow vehicle than the Disco Td5 I had previously. It was also a much better investment of my own dosh as LR wanted 25k+ for my 6mth old Disco company car when I left whereas the Trooper cost me 18ish I think back in 2001. Nowadays you must be able to pick em up for very little.

Downsides....well whilst they are reliable, parts and servicing are expensive through Isuzu dealers. But I guess using an idependent or doing it yourself would cut down those costs.

Hope this helps!
Alan
__________________

__________________
Out of the fog......
Alan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07 November 2005, 13:48   #3
Member
 
Country: UK - England
Length: 6m +
Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 1,850
Alan - cheers for that!

Sounds like it might be what I'm after, I've erred away from Landrover mainly because there are cheaper 4x4's, plus reliability seems to be touch and go, some people swear by them, others say they don't wear as well as they should.

My Kia does have expensive dealer parts, so I work on the basis of doing it myself, worked so far!

30mpg is better than my Kia Sportage 2.0 Petrol, although that's improved since I stopped revving it to pieces!
__________________
Jimbo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07 November 2005, 13:50   #4
Member
 
Country: UK - Wales
Town: swansea
Boat name: Too Blue
Make: BLANK
Length: 8m +
Engine: Suzuki DT225
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 12,791
My girlfriends father has a Hilux surf - I test drove it for him in a dealers in London and then drove it back. It is a P or R reg so the newest shape. His is pretty rare - can't remember the model but it had a big air scoop on the bonnet for the bigger intercooler which most don't have.

It was in great condition but not cheap - about 9,000 I think he paid for it about a year or so ago.

It does go well for a diesel auto but you have to watch it in the wet - arse end is very light and on road it is just in RWD so it spins the wheel easily.

Of all the JAP toys it is the only one I would consider buying.

Still not a patch on my Land Rover though and compared to a Discovery TD5 which he could have had for the same money it just isn't in the same league.
__________________
codprawn is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07 November 2005, 13:52   #5
Member
 
Country: UK - England
Length: 6m +
Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 1,850
Quote:
Originally Posted by codprawn
My girlfriends father has a Hilux surf - I test drove it for him in a dealers in London and then drove it back. It is a P or R reg so the newest shape. His is pretty rare - can't remember the model but it had a big air scoop on the bonnet for the bigger intercooler which most don't have.

It was in great condition but not cheap - about 9,000 I think he paid for it about a year or so ago.

It does go well for a diesel auto but you have to watch it in the wet - arse end is very light and on road it is just in RWD so it spins the wheel easily.

Of all the JAP toys it is the only one I would consider buying.

Still not a patch on my Land Rover though and compared to a Discovery TD5 which he could have had for the same money it just isn't in the same league.
Yes, they are expensive, I'll agree with you there! Seen some bargains on eBay, but most are waaay out of my hoped for budget (5kish), and one would be even harder to find for me, as I want a manual, and those are seriously rare!

I've driven Rogue Wave's son's Surf, and I liked it a lot better than the kia, but was warned about the back end. Also, surfs don't have 7 seats.

That said, they are massive, and apparently reliable.
__________________
Jimbo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07 November 2005, 13:56   #6
Member
 
Country: UK - Wales
Town: swansea
Boat name: Too Blue
Make: BLANK
Length: 8m +
Engine: Suzuki DT225
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 12,791
And on the reliability front I was looking at a Nissan Terrano the other day - 1998 - treated as a car - not an offorader - which needed a load of welding to be done for the MOT - mechanic had to make a new rear spring mount for it amongst other things - it was in a right old state and the springs and chassis etc looked very wimpy next to my 110.

My 110 is a 1987 ex police and also has RNLI and surf stickers all over it so I think it has had a pretty hard life - then I had it and offroaded it every chance I could get. I have now decided to give it some TLC and have just been sandblasting the chassis back to bare metal - not a single rust holes anywhere!!! Will be coating it with the same Epoxy paints they use on oilrigs and the Forth bridge so it should last a while longer!!!
__________________
codprawn is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07 November 2005, 14:00   #7
Member
 
Country: UK - Wales
Town: swansea
Boat name: Too Blue
Make: BLANK
Length: 8m +
Engine: Suzuki DT225
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 12,791
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimbo
Yes, they are expensive, I'll agree with you there! Seen some bargains on eBay, but most are waaay out of my hoped for budget (5kish), and one would be even harder to find for me, as I want a manual, and those are seriously rare!

I've driven Rogue Wave's son's Surf, and I liked it a lot better than the kia, but was warned about the back end. Also, surfs don't have 7 seats.

That said, they are massive, and apparently reliable.
Yes my mate loves it - it is an auto and because of that he only gets about 22mpg out of it.

To be honest most of these JAP things are pretty low tech underneath - even my mates Warrior still has leaf springs - they don't ride as well or anything.

I had a really childish but fun race the other day. There was a Surf racing a Warrior with a TD5 110 keeping out of it behind them. The 2 jap vehicles were really going for it but the surf was pulling away - imagine their faces when my old 110 came howling past them!!! The TD5 driver gave me a huge grin and a thumbs up - don't think the other 2 were so amused though!!! - I LOVE my V8.
__________________
codprawn is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07 November 2005, 14:11   #8
Member
 
Hightower's Avatar
 
Country: UK - England
Town: Fareham
Length: 6m +
Join Date: Sep 2003
Posts: 7,855
I've been looking at the Mitsubishi Delica as a Tow MPV'ish vehical. Not badly priced and based on the shogun/Pajero I think. Looks cool and seats 7/8, has 4x4 and a 2.8 TD 4 cylinder engine. Check them out on Ebay Jim, not sure about extreme offroad ability though but check out :http://www.mdocuk.co.uk/forums/
__________________
Andy

Looks Slow but is Fast
Member of the ebay Blue RIB cover club.
Hightower is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07 November 2005, 14:14   #9
RIBnet supporter
 
Jizm's Avatar
 
Country: UK - England
Town: Southampton
Boat name: Hissing Sid
Make: Ross Smith Cobra
Length: 6m +
Engine: 200HP Optimax
MMSI: 235038046
Join Date: Jun 2002
Posts: 3,803
The only thing I will say about surfs is make sure you buy the 3.0TD (130bhp) and not the 2.4TD, they are worlds apart!
Jizm is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07 November 2005, 14:18   #10
Member
 
Country: UK - Wales
Town: swansea
Boat name: Too Blue
Make: BLANK
Length: 8m +
Engine: Suzuki DT225
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 12,791
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jizm
The only thing I will say about surfs is make sure you buy the 3.0TD (130bhp) and not the 2.4TD, they are worlds apart!
Yes the 3L goes like stink....
__________________

__________________
codprawn is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off





Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 14:12.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.